Trump unveils plan to "dismantle" the 'Deep State': Bureaucrats, fraudsters and corrupt people will

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    https://www.voxnews.al/english/koso...ntuar-deep-state-do-ikin-burokratet-ma-i78540

    Thesis:
    - I will reissue my executive order of 2020, to eliminate fraudulent officials and I will use this power very aggressively.
    - we will purge all corrupt employees from the national security and intelligence apparatus.
    - bureaucrats will no longer be able to go after conservatives, Christians, or political enemies.
    - we will reform the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which is drowning in corruption.
    - we will create a Truth and Reconciliation Commission that will declassify all documents on state espionage, censorship and corruption.
    - we will take action against officials who collude with the fake news media.
    - Congress will create an independent audit system to monitor intelligence agencies.
    - we will move some of the bureaucracy outside of Washington.
    - I will prohibit ex-federal officials from engaging in lobbying.
    - I will push for constitutional amendments to limit term limits for members of Congress.

    Do you think he can do it?
     
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    He cannot and would not even if he could.

    He will do some token things, blow off even more hot air, and then saunter away claiming victory and his promise fulfilled, just like he always did.

    He is just another tool of the deep state, playing a phoney role.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause:
     
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    basicly Trump is creating the deep State, getting rid of everyone he declares is not a Trump loyalist
     
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    ""Deep State" is defined as a type of government consisting of potentially secret and unauthorized networks of power that operate independently of a country's political leadership in pursuit of their own agenda and goals."

    "- we will move some of the bureaucracy outside of Washington."

    hmmm
     
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    Trump will find ways to fire government officials he does not like.
     
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    The deep state has been talked about as far back as Obama. The deep state is using Trump to introduce new political realities.
     
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    I don't think it's going to be easy for him. Behind every official there are financial structures that profit with the help of that official. And if someone wants to deprive them of their earnings, they can do anything.
    However, soon we will see what will happen in reality, but not in words.
     
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    deep state......:D.....the mantra of extreme right wingers with counter-rotating eyeballs and screechy voices who see nefarious plots everywhere.....:hiding:......am I being watched......oh no......what's that noise......aaarrggghhhh......:shocked:

    They´re coming to take me away,
    Haha, they´re coming to take me away,
    Ho ho, hee hee, ha ha,
    To the funny farm
    Where life is beautiful all the time
    And I´ll be happy to see
    Those nice young men
    In their clean white coats
    And they´re coming to take me AWAY,
    HA HAAAA


    in memory of Jerry Samuels who died last year.....
     
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    LMAO at this list. The corrupt are going to tell the corrupt to stop being corrupt?

    Ok…. Onto some important questions.

    Ministry of Truth? Really? Haven’t the Republicans been against a government that decides what is/isn’t true?

    My prediction on this list: If it truly makes things better for everyone, it won’t happen. If it only makes the rich and powerful more rich and more powerful, it will be done with an expediency seen in DC only when the rich & powerful have an opportunity to make themselves more rich and powerful.
     
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    The only corrupt deep state that in need of dismantling is the KGB regime in Moscow. Trump has my blessings to go after it.
     
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    It could be said he is trying to create a mini and temporary deep state. But it won't be any match for the larger and permanent deep state that already exists and does not really like Trump but sees him as problem that must be managed since he cannot be eliminated.

    Basically, Trump will be hiring and firing the actors and extras. Theater management will still be in control of security, ticket sales, prop purchases, general schedule, maintenance, etc. etc.
     
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    If he can herd the cats known as Senators and get good cooperation towards those valiant policy mandates. But if Congress goes into obstructionist mode... Probably not. Fortunately for everyone the GOP has a large enough majority to do it... I think the single most important way to ensure it happens is to get the best Majority leader.
     
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    best way to get anything passed is to work with dems and create bipartisan bills, repubs have a majority, not a super majority
     
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    This is the basis of capitalism. And it doesn't matter who is at the head of the state.
     
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    You are saying our form of government is incompatible with capitalism? I don’t believe that, but this system of government does require active participation from the people choosing the people to represent us in DC. We don’t currently have that. This ability to stay at your job despite having 11% approval is madness. It allows people like Elon Musk and Donald Trump to own Congress Critters. Trump has admitted to owning Congress Critters.

    This creates an environment of favorable legislation and tit-for-tat information that allows for lucrative insider trading.
     
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    If capitalism does not benefit those who are not rich it has an uncertain future.
     
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    On the contrary - your form of government is the etalgon of capitalism.
     
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    It is. And capitalism as a socio-political system is bound to go away. The contradictions of capitalism with reality are already evident.
     
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    There will be no bipartisan bills passing the next few years. #redwave
     
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    Your?
     
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    then it will be like Trump's first 2 years, just EO's and a huge permanent tax cut for the rich?

    you do know the right doesn't have a super majority right?
     
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    He already got a great start on it in his first term with his Supreme Court picks.

    Now that they've overturned Chevron v. NRDC back in June, the Congressional authorizations of a number of agencies are in the crosshairs.

    Starting with EPA. The EV mandate is just waiting for Massachusetts v. EPA to similarly be overturned and CO2 vanishes as a regulatable "pollutant".

    Since EPA's entire authorization is similarly as crappy as the CO2 one, EPA may lose its entire ability to function and just may go away since we're deep into the era (50 years at least) of absolute Congressional inability to legislate, Congress may not be able to save it.

    And Trump won't have to do a thing.

    Serves Progressives right.
     
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    This holds true because every economic system and form of government has an uncertain future.
     
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    This is saying too much.

    But here is the real problem....it does not matter what theoretical form of government or economic system one creates...eventually those motivated toward excess wealth and power will corrupt it.

    What is sad about Americans is how blind most of them are to the true level of corruption in America's goverment. At least in terms of illegal/ immoral profits, I am sure its the most corrupt government on the planet...maybe even in human history.

    Trump won't put a dent in it.
     
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