Trump vows to end birthright citizenship.

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  1. Angrytaxpayer

    Angrytaxpayer Well-Known Member

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    http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/16/d...plan-including-ending-birthright-citizenship/

    He's right. Too bad our current politicians are too cowardly to stand up and protect the Americans that put them in office.

    Ending birthright citizenship will end illegal immigration by at least 85% and will give this country and it's citizens many benefits.
    1. It will guard against overpopulation. Which is already happening in cities and suburbia. (Unless you like what India has become..)
    2. It will save this country untold billions that are spent on Medicaid and subsidizing education.
    3. Will no longer give children dual citizenship in certain countries that are not our allies who like to raise terrorists.
    4. The billions of US dollars that are sent out of this country tax free will stay here and help our own economy.
    It's time this country and others join the 21st century. The abuse can no longer continue.

    I'm sure the latino community will cry racist because they are the lead abuser of the American taxpayers.
    There is no downside to this for America. None.
     
  2. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't support the end of birth citizenship. What are we going to do with our children?

    We can't risk our people becoming nationless refugees.
     
  3. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The link does not quote Trump wanting to end birthright to the children.
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    The US doesn't "give" dual citizenship... never has.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    he wants to end birthright citizenship to folks who are here illegally.
     
  6. Coolia

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    Hell yeah! :clapping:

    He must've got the tweet I sent him this morning.

    Only the ones with illegal aliens in their family. Quite the contrary with those like me, Americans. We are the number one victims of illegal alien crimes. The MSM purposely never discloses the names of most of the victims of these illegals because they're Hispanic too, and that would go against their narrative that we Hispanic Americans welcome them with open arms into our communities and they can't use the 'racism' charge as effectively if people speak out against them.

    There are killings of Hispanics just about every week by these illegal alien criminals. It's only because whites are getting killed too now that it's making national headlines.
     
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    perdidochas Advisor Staff Member

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    He's a fool. There is no way he can do this, barring changing the Constitution.
     
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    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Agreed. Multi generational "illegal" status is the making of a revolutionary army of outsiders. A very very bad idea.

    Cheers
    Labour
     
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    Nope, it can be done. If restrictions can be put on the 2nd A, restrictions can be put on the 14th as well.
     
  10. Lil Mike

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    The 14th Amendment doesn't explicitly say that. That's just been the assumption since the 1980's. It sure didn't make American Indians automatic citizens. I say pass the law and let it go through the courts.
     
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    I don't disagree entirely, but a new amendment would be required and that simply isn't realistic.
     
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    Many people do. While it can not be done retroactively to those already born here, I want it ended. However, that would take a constitutional amendment and that won't happen.

    What can legally happen is deporting the parent(s) and then if they do not take her/their child with them - ie abandon their child - then that child into foster care and likely then for adoption if the abandonment continues. The parent/parents also could be prosecuted for child abandonment. That would be 100% constitutional.
     
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    Nope. A new amendment is required.

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    The amendment does say that actually. It's been settled law since U.S. Wong Kim ark.
     
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    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

    I don't see how this can be parced in anyway to suggest that citizenship is conveyed at birth. If you fall from the womb and hit US soil you are a citizen.

    Cheers
    Labour
     
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    Read the Statutes.. they have been posted here often enough.
     
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    Deport the parent/parents. The child(ren) cannot be deported, but it is criminal if the parent/parents do not take the child with them as child abandonment and the abandoned child(ren) put into foster care and then up for adoption. That would require no constitutional amendment, would it?

    Other countries deport parents whose children are born in their country and those countries survive. The Western countries doing the best economically are also countries that have harsh laws against illegal immigration.

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    Correct. That establishes no legal right to that woman to remain in the USA, does it? Only the child.
     
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    Go read the 2nd A. It says "Shall not be infringed" and it has been. The same can be done for the 14th by not allowing ILLEGALS to do this.People here legally on green cards and other visas would still get it, but not illegals and vacationers.

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    Nope it can be legally restricted just like the Feds and states do with the 2nd A..No different AT ALL.
     
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    yes, a President could order all Federal agencies to not give citizenship status to the children of illegals.

    but then it would have to survive Federal court, which it probably would not do.

    by what legal precedent could a President justify doing this?
     
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    They don't need a legal precedent, they could set one, just like ALL legal precedents are set, at one point they didn't exist. My point is, if laws can be made to restrict the 2nd A, then laws can be created to restrict the 14th also.
     
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    yes, but it would still have to survive the Federal courts.

    could one argue that the 14th Amendment did not intend to give birthright citizenship to the children of illegals? yes.

    but the Supreme would have to agree.
     
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    Dual citizenship had previously been banned in the United States, but in 1967 the US Supreme Court struck down most laws forbidding dual citizenship.

    However, the US government remained disdainful of dual citizenship for some time. To this day, candidates for US citizenship through naturalization are forced to (at least hypothetically) renounce their previous citizenship at the United States naturalization ceremony.
     
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    Take them back to where you came from. You did it to your kids, not us.
     
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    If he can stop giving that image that he is an assho*le, he probably will shoot through the roof.
     
  24. Lil Mike

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    "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..." It's questionable if people living in the shadows dodging the law, are actually "subject to the jurisdiction." I'll be content to let the courts settle it.
     
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    The justification is the anchor baby explosion.
     

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