Trump vows to end birthright citizenship.

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  1. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True, it is anyone's guess. I do not have a warm and fuzzy about this court.
     
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    As I just said in another post just a minute or two earlier. I do not have a warm and fuzzy about this court. I have found out too many times what I think will happen does not. That goes with U.S. code also. Today the SCOTUS is too much a political agenda court than one of original intent.
     
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    No I'm suggesting that with changes in technology maybe it's time to redefine birthright citizenship. Where once it could be assumed that one's birth here was evident of a parents changed allegiance, it took months of travel with no easy means to return. Today that assumption is flawed?

    I do however like law that falls on a bright shining line. Birth is a bright line, hard to play politics with God, no?

    Cheers
    Labour
     
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    children of illegals, born in this country, should NOT get birthright citizenship.

    nor should children of tourists or folks on a work visa.
     
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    Well it will take a few years to get it to SCOTUS so we will have a new court and hopefully some more constitutionalist on the court and a conservative President who will sign the bill although I can't imagine the uproar if a President did not sign the legislation. HECK I could see a strong Republican Congress impeaching any judges that did not uphold the original intent of the Congress and put their own intention in it's place. Now THAT would be a Constitional crisis and the stuff of political thrillers.

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    And reading the writings of the authors and architects of the bill that was never intended.
     
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    What does this mean for blacks? We did not come here the legal way.
     
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    I love a little political intrigue. But impeaching a justice on the SCOTUS for a ruling I doubt will ever happen. If a liberal justice there is not way to get 2/3rds of the senate to go along with it. The only way would be to have 67 senators of the same party and that will not happen in 2012. The GOP will be lucky to hang onto the senate. They have 24 seats up for grabs vs. only 10 for the Democrats.

    But it would be interesting, that is for sure.
     
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    Blacks were considered free(d)men prior to the 1870 and 1875 CRA's. Their children were granted citizenship per the 1866 CRA. Slaves were brought to the US against their will, that did not make them illegal immigrants such that we have today. The 1866 CRA is limiting to certain classes of people, not races of people. It would have no effect on blacks, unless there are some here as illegal immigrants.
     
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    Bad News, Not One of the Democrats or Republicans would actually do anything that will stop illegals from coming here.
     
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    If true, bad news indeed.
     
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    How is this different from kids coming here because of their parents but not by themselves.
     
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    We could postpone applying the restriction to children. Simply make it a requirement for everyone to enlist, pass a citizenship exam, or leave the country at age 18.

    Kind of radical, but it would certainly inspire American's to start applying themselves in their school years.




     
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    Wrong. We know for sure that a Democrat won't do (*)(*)(*)(*). That Democrats see only folks who will get on the gubmit teat, and vote for a living.

    There are some folks in the GOP who say "(*)(*)(*)(*) this". Trump is one. He has a legitimate shot at being POTUS. When we get to the "winner take all" primaries, he could run the table. While the corrupt useless libs support Hildebeast.
     
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    Isn't it funny how when it comes to business everything is overly regulated, but with illegals we let them run wild, even after committing violent felonies.
     
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    Lol! What a joke. "The first people's that are within the now U.S. have never lived in Mexico or vice versa". And neither did the invaders. "The few tribes that are along the now border"? There was no border to begin with, before the whites invaded and created one. As far as the treaty is concerned, that too would have never happened if the white settlers hadn't invaded. There are no good excuses for what the white settlers did, while they sit on this moral high ground. You can tell me to take the Mexica movement elsewhere, but the Mexica movement is here to stay. Compliments of a white dominated imperialistic society who takes over most of the South and Central American countries. These problems with immigration, the whites brought on themselves; http://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/us-interventions-in-latin-american-021/ We invaded these countries, took over their economies, their resources, and their politics, and then the whites blame them for trying to come here to escape the oppression the whites caused in their own countries.
     
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    Kids illegally crossing the border with their parents are still illegally entering, their parents are responsible for them, and they can be deported just as easily.
     
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    Just like blacks did as slaves, they both were forced
     
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    The area was under Spanish control and they were Spaniards living in the then territories as claimed by Mexico after they won their independence form Spain in1821. Your lack of history shows. It was Mexican citizens that fought for and won the independence of Texas from Mexico. Most of those territories took 1- 2 years to make the decision to join Mexico as territories after Mexico won its independence.

    The only joke is your inane ability to actually create a valid argument that makes any sense beyond ignorance and propaganda.

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    The children were not forced, they were brought under their parents supervision, or they chose to come (teenagers). There is no equaling today's illegal immigrants to slaves. :roll:
     
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    How is it different? Their parents brought them here and that is about as force as one can get. What are they supposed to do...beat up their parents and stay home.
     
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    Mexican Americans were miss placed from their homes against their will several centuries ago because of the white invasion. Those who had to leave or were killed, left generations of prodigy who are a product of where they are today. Whether it is here or Mexico. Untold thousands if not millions are a result of that invasion today. Based on your logic about the slaves, the descendants of those who were run out from their homes and forced to live elsewhere in the old Mexico should be granted full citizenship, just as the descendants of black slaves. If we were to use your logic.
     
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    This has absolutely nothing to do with the price of apples. What a shallow view of looking at things. Johnny throws a rock at somebody's window, so that makes it okay for you to do it. That's the mentality! Some other country invades, occupies, and finally gives up control of these lands, which makes it okay for the next bunch to come along and do the same thing right?

    The only joke here is your pitiful excuse to make an argument from something that happened prior to the Mexican-American war, where the two have nothing to do with each other.
     
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    The children are still here illegally, whether the parents brought them or not, there was no force in bringing their children. There is no comparison to slaves who were brought here. :yawn:
     
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    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). There were less than 80K people of Spanish decent in 1821 (who then became known as Mexicans) living in what is now the US. There were 40K Tejanos living in Southern Texas and 20K Californios living in S California and along the coast up to what is now San Francisco (above SF there were Russians and English up through to what is now Alaska), while the remaining 20K were living in the River Valley of what is now the US border of Arizona and New Mwxico. The Apache kept many out and continuously forced those living there to go back to the other side of the river. Mexico, between 1821 and 1845 tried paying its people to move to the River Valleys to buffer the Apache from invading into Mexico. The few that went quickly returned back across the river.

    Again your ignorance of history shows nothing more than Mexica Movement Propaganda with no basis in reality.
     
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    :roflol: Mexicans fought for and seceded from Mexico prior to the US getting involved (Texas Revolution of 1836) . Do you really not know any history of the Mexican American War? Why did California wait 2 years (1823) before becoming a Territory of Mexico? Some people are just to ignorant to accept the simple fact that they lost a war and blame the US for something that Mexico failed to do. :roll:

    It only goes to show the ignorance you posses of knowing absolutely nothing about actual history. :yawn:
     
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    The Supreme Court says otherwise.

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    Which is meaningless. Read the ruling.

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    I've refuted this in 3 different threads.
     

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