Trump vows to end birthright citizenship.

And you are the one talking about inept? That's a good one. You should look the word up sometime. This is elementary, so we will do it one step at a time. Blacks were taken from their homes. So were Mexicans! Blacks were forced to live in areas against their will. So were Mexicans! Both are descendants of being placed in areas against their will. That is a fact, no matter how much your imagination tries to spin.

I can't believe I'm reading this.

The land wasn't? Lol! And I'm the one who is supposed to look stuff up. Yeah right!

Once again, your repetitive nonsense is noted. That has absolutely nothing to do with our invasion or their right to citizenship. Your arguments are a joke.

No, it is your inanity to stay focused on the argument you can't win, while grabbing the only defense you have by attacking me.

There you go again. You still have not given me any logical reason the descendants of Mexican Americans do not have the same rights to citizenship as blacks. You have not given any logical reasons for the invasion of others. All you talk about is they had this, they did that, they were in this situation whenever this happened. All that doesn't mean jack. It is totally irrelevant. You have no excuses for this war, and you have no excuses not to grant these people citizenship. Especially after you tried to inject the black slave argument. That was a good one right there.

 

The post you are referring to is pedantic. The same old sorry story about the poor Native Americans and their claim to precedence in America.

First of all, there is evidence to suggest that the natives were not here first--the 10,000 year-old skeleton of the European found in Kennewick, WA for one. But all this who-was-here-first stuff aside: I have Native American families living near me. They are comfortable with their Western lives--their jobs, new cars, plasma screen TVs, store-bought clothes, etc. If someone gave them the choice of keeping their western-style lives or reverting to hunting and gathering, most-if they were honest--would say "no thanks" to the hunting and gathering.

 

doesnt really matter. it was still well thought out and honest.

 

Lol! What a ridiculous argument. If the Latinos can't do anything with the land, then why did we steal so much of it from them then?

You are showing weakness with that pitiful excuse of an argument. The moral high ground is not yours for the taking, that is for sure.

So, what we invaded is not first world country then right?

Another sorry excuse for an argument.

 

I'm sure you can go to the mirror and with a straight face tell yourself that nonsense right? Did it ever occur to you that the dead soldiers left loved ones behind, who for one reason or another left on their
own due to a lack of family support and it was better for them at the time, not to take the citizenship? Of course it hasn't. That in no way says they are less deserving of that citizenship. Because they left, probably had a lot to do with their own personal struggles at the time, compliments of the white invaders. And just like a broken record, your counter arguments can easily be flushed down the toilet, with some simple logic.

If you truly believe those were not real life stories of the Mexican people back then, then "reality" is just not your game. You, like some of your buddies, will forever keep floating around in that unbreakable bubble where the truth never gets in.

 

Exactly

 

I wonder if Trump's mum was a legal immigrant or not.

 

Before you argue with someone at least finish high school first.

 

Exactly which part of my post is a: “hyperbolic pile of garbage which avoids the whole issue”?

I’m dying to know as 100% of my post is true, and it directly relates to your ‘feelings” and “perceptions” over this issue.

All of you are writing about your opinions on a particular law. You may not like the law but it is the law, and this is where many of you on the right get all twisted up over yourselves.

You all love to scream about people breaking the law when it doesn’t suit what you want, and you also want other laws to be changed when it doesn’t suit what you want.

As if any of you have never broken any laws your entire lives, you’re all pathetic, really!!!

Interestingly enough all of the laws you guys are all “flamed out” about whether you’re for or against them all have something to do with people from other countries.

You’re all a bunch of rabbit, racist isolationist’s filled with hatred for people who don’t look like you, and you’d love nothing more than to see all of these people go away.

That’s what this is all about, you can hide like cowards behind polished language spouting incorrect facts about what the law is, or what you think that idiot Trump is going to do, but honestly you all just hate Mexicans with a burning passion, and you’re tired of seeing them in you neighborhoods, and you just want them all to to go away.

Knock off the charade, man up, and admit it…………

You’d all love to see Hindu Indian’s, Arabs, Mexicans, Africans, South Americans, and everybody else in the world to STOP coming here to muddy up your precious picture of what you think America was, is or should be.

The point I was making in my post for the “super dense” is that all of you screaming about illegal immigrants and anchor babies are completely silent, and complacent to all of the Europeans that illegally came here long ago and continue to illegally come here. Granted not in the same numbers as Mexico, but to your point......the law is the law right, the amount doesn't matter, right? Or does it???

Your all equally silent & blind to the polished up PG version of the history regarding what really went down with all of the Europeans that came here during the great wave. Thousands of those European immigrants came here illegally Sparky…………do your homework.

But that was ok right, it was ok for the Irish, and the Italians, and the English, and the French, and the Germans, and all of the rest of Europe to come to Lady Liberty’s open arms by shady means but when others of a darker shade make that same attempt for the same reasons their met with dissent & hatred.

Not all Europeans came here illegally, not all brown people come here illegally, and yes many have on both sides, but you guys on the right are incredibly biased regarding this issue and eerily silent on the true history over all of it.

You’re also all eerily silent on the history of who was here first, who was lied to, robbed from, and ultimately kicked out for nothing more than pure greed.

The tragedy here is that America’s greatest sin is still alive & well, and a lot of you don’t get it, don’t see it, are completely clueless to it, and really don’t give a damn.

 

Nothing in that post even hints at refuting anything I stated and showed. You made claims that you did something that you did not achieve.

 

Do you really think I don't know what the word means? That maybe I should have said your claims were inane instead? DO you know what inane means?

Blacks weren't taken they were sold by chiefs or tribal leaders. No Mexican has been taken from their home or forced to live in areas against their will. Remember the link stated they chose to return to Mexico and not become US Citizens. You wouldn't know a fact if it jumped right in front of you and stated, "I'm a fact".

Why? Its in every history book and books about the time out their. What it is not is from Chicano morons (Richard Vogel) who lay claim to idiocy.

What land was taken? You haven't provided anything more than hyperbole so far, while what I have provided and stated has been backed up. What invasion did we do? What right of US citizenship do they have? Their ancestors chose to return to Mexico, its not our fault they made that choice.

Argument I can't win? You haven't even presented an argument, you've made inane claims that have been shown to be inept.

You haven't shown Mexicans being sold by their tribal chiefs and taken to a country as property. You haven't shown how descendents of Mexicans who chose to return to Mexico should be granted US citizenship. You haven't shown how any land was "taken" from Mexicans.

You haven't shown that there was any invasion by the US.

I didn't inject the blacks in to this, some other poster did. Please follow along and get your (*)(*)(*)(*) straight. What reason do I need to deny Mexicans US Citizenship when they never lived here to begin with? They should blame their ancestors for the choice they made to return to Mexico verse receiving US Citizenship in 1848.

 

Lack of family support? Then why do they illegally enter the US and leave their families behind in Mexico, Honduras, etc. ? They only come here for economics, most here would return back to their countries of origin if it were easy enough to do.

 

Everything I posted directly addressed and destroyed your argument point by point. With citation.

 

Care to try again? Nothing in your linked comment hints at refuting what I stated or showed. Do you know what "amity" means yet? You then claim Minor isn't relevant, when your own provided WKA quote uses Minor. The rest is simply your ramblings of inanity.

 

If you completely ignore everything in the post, that's true.......http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=407716&p=1065006608#post1065006608

of course. Do you know the only 2 ways you are denied citizenship if born inside the borders? It's in the link above.

 

Actually, it's been case law since 1898.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

 

I didn't ignore anything in your post. You claimed Minor was nott relevant and yet you used it in your quote of WKA. Your quote uses the word amity in it and you fail to understand what amity even means. The rest of your tripe is nothing but your ramblings of claims that are nothing but your own fallacy.

I wonder why Justice Gray points out

I'll ask you as I did reality before he ran away without responding, do you understand what a recognized exception is and that there are still recognized exceptions that can be recognized? http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=417022&page=22&p=1065202018#post1065202018

 

If a child gets a birth certificate, I think that's subject to the jurisdiction.....

Also, that clause was intended for the children of diplomats from foreign governments.

 

There is NO case law that grants BRC to children born to illegal immigrants in the US. WKA doesn't merit out that children born to illegals are automatic citizens.

 

Love how the white guilters and none whites are desperately coming up with reasons why illegals should continue to scam the American taxpayer and abuse this country. This is why the country they come from is still 3rd world. It's easier to scam and abuse than it is to put in effort into changing the country you came from for the better. Cowards.

 

A BC is nothing more than a document showing who ones parents are via their name.

WKA states there are recognized exceptions to the rule, the 14th is merely declaratory of existing law i.e. the 1866 CRA, and that his parents were here via a Treaty between the US and China (amity).

 

Trump is, regarding the Constitution. I cannot believe that conservatives are falling for his b.s. Yes, his candor is refreshing, but it gets old, and is built on a history of his liberalism. When Trump was 58 years old, he proclaimed that he was a democrat. He changed that when he was about 62. I don't believe that old dogs can learn new tricks like that. Trump is making fools of you and other republicans. His intent is to pave the way for his friend Hillary.

 

All addressed and destroyed here........http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=407716&p=1065006608#post1065006608

There are only 2 ways birthright citizenship is denied. Both are listed in the decision quoted. Invading armies, and ambassadors with immunity. That's it.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

The above was in 1898, and it ruled otherwise.

 

The courts already settled it. Wong Kim ark. And further settled in plyler v doe.