Trump Vows to End Birthright Citizenship

Are you not capable of talking about the other half? Or is it just convenient for you to leave it out?

 

You are reading it through liberal eyes I'm afraid. The memo is MOST clear! You're not even capable of saying how you interpret it in the way that you are!

"And now he." So Trump. Were you not talking about Republicans?

 

As much as I hate birthright citizenship, all attempts to repeal it have failed because its protected by the constitution. Trump can't sign away parts of the constitution.

 

No the phony border crisis is just Trump. The Republican party is only guilty of being an accomplice. .

 

Yes the memo is most clear. If Democrats don't fulfill their promise to save the dreamers from the Republican party's attempts to deport all of them the Democrats will lose hispanic support.

 

Are the phoney thugs throwing phoney stones and phoney bottles at American Border Agents?

 

Are you joking?

You do know it was Democrats that refused to sign onto Trump's plan to give amnesty to the "Dreamers"...

 

Care to actually post the plan where Trump proposed legislation to give amnesty to the dreamers. Bet you can't. And no, vague stupid Trump tweets won't count. Any proposals in writing or legislation will work if you can find them which you can't.

 

I didn't say he sponsored legislation.

It didn't get that far because Democrats gave a blood oath to oppose it no matter how good it was.

Democrats hate solutions to problems. Only misery and victims interest them.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/25/trump-amnesty-cover-18-million-dreamers/

 

Yes, which is a "CRITICAL COMPONENT" of their future! As made CRYSTAL clear in the memo!

What do you mean "phony?" Is it not actually a real situation?

 

So what is this reporting on? Something that he actually presented before congress?

 

The reporting was that the Democrats dismissed the entire idea of solving the problem even after Trump offered them over double the number of amnesties than they asked for.

Once you understand that the Democrats want victims, not solutions, it all makes sense.

 

I am referring to what Trump offered them. Was it an official offer to Congress? Earlier, in response to CourtJester asking you to "post the plan where Trump proposed legislation to give amnesty to the dreamers", you replied by saying, "I didn't say he sponsored legislation. It didn't get that far." What didn't get that far?

 

Yes it is a real situation but hardly a crisis or an invasion or a major terrorist threat or any of the stupid exaggerations that Trump tried to use to fire up his base before the midterms.

 

So you admit he really didn't have any desire or actual plan to solve the issue of the dreamers. And if you read the article you will note that it mentions the plan Trump was supposedly going to present to Congress which of course he never did. All Trump was actually doing was using the Dreamers hostage to his stupid wall, now partial fence paid for by the US.

 

No, I admitted the truth instead of what you wish I had falsely claimed.

The fact is that Trump offered twice the amnesties that Democrats wanted, and they refused to accept.

Those facts may trigger you, but that's not my problem.

 

BET YOU CAN't provide a link to the Trump plan that actually was going to give anmesty to the Dreamers.

 

I'll bet I don't care what you bet.

Trump's offer was public. The Democrats' knee jerk rejection was public.

Those are the facts.

 

Sure. Why not provide a link to the legislation he proposed or the deal he put in writing or any actual evidence of a serious proposal. And do note that a Trump tweet is evidence of nothing except his deranged thinking. Trump is the one who scuttled the bipartisan agreement that would have helped the dreamers at the same time as increasing border security.

Everyone knows he is holding the Dreamers hostage to get his stupid unnecessary wall.

 

You don't understand what you read, do you?

Pay attention and I'll tell you for the 3rd time. I didn't say he wrote down legislation.

I said he publicly offered to grant amnesty to over twice the number of Dreamers and their familie members than the Democrats had asked for.

I also said the Democrats immediately publically rejected the offer and publicly refused to compromise.

Those are the facts. You can either accept the facts or keep make up things I didn't say to argue about with yourself.

 

Care to post where he actually said that? Lets see his caveats.

 

JANUARY 26, 2018 9:25AM
President Trump’s Amnesty Plan
By ALEX NOWRASTEH
four principles for immigration reform. Overall, the Trump plan would cut legal immigration and spend about $25 billion on border security and a wall. In exchange, the Trump administration has decided to support an amnesty and citizenship for an estimated 1.8 million DREAMers.

It’s unclear how the administration estimates that only 1.8 million illegal immigrant DREAMers would gain citizenship as the number could be very different from that. Most likely, they assume that many people could have earned DACA but did not.

The conservative reaction to Trump’s support for amnesty and citizenship, even though he’s always said that he could accept such a compromise, has been swift. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) preempted the rollout of Trump’s principles by stating, “I do not believe we should be granting a path to citizenship to anybody here illegally … Doing so is inconsistent with the promises we made to the men and women who elected us.” Cruz’s sentiment is consistent with his position during the 2013 debate over S. 744 where he favored a legalization but not an amnesty and path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

Senator Cruz employed even more cruel rhetoric when he said, “For some reason that [amnesty] to me is utterly inexplicable, we see Republicans falling all over themselves to gallop to the left of [former President] Obama in a way that is contrary to the promises made to the voters who elected us.” Any comparison of President Trump to former-President Obama by a Republican is evidence that Trump’s amnesty plan will not be well received.

Representative Steve King (R-IA) has repeatedly said that he won’t vote for amnesty. Although he hasn’t spoken about Trump’s amnesty proposal, we can safely assume that the conservative Iowa congressman, who is nothing if not consistent, is a hard “no.” Virginia Republican gadfly and proud Trump-supporter Corey Stewart trashed Trump’s amnesty. Republican primary challengers from Mississippi to Nevada are furiousat the betrayal.

Amnesty is a toxic word among conservative immigration restrictionists. They spent 25 years calling every proposal they disliked “amnesty” and mobilizing large numbers of people to oppose them. The extent to which the conservative media describes President Trump’s immigration plan as amnesty will determine how unpopular it is. The media outlet Breitbart labeled President Trump “amnesty Don” after they heard he would be supporting amnesty and a path to citizenship for DREAMers. When the plan was released they called it “Don’s Amnesty Bonanza” and compared it to other “failed” amnesties. The Washington Times headline is “Trump amnesty to cover 1.8 million Dreamers; triple Obama’s DACA,”– comparing Trump to Obama is toxic to the president’s base. The story goes on to describe the amnesty as “generous.” The Drudge Report’s Twitter account led with “Triple Obama’s DACA.”

Heritage Action, the Heritage Foundation’s political outreach arm, condemned President Trump’s amnesty as harshly as it could in order to maintain its ties to the administration. Heritage Action’s press releasecalled President Trump’s plan an amnesty, said amnesties always grow in size and scope, and then raised concerned about the Gang of Eight 2013 S. 744 immigration reform bill. The Federation for American Immigration Reform is emphasizing its anti-amnesty stance to appeal to their supporters. Daniel Horowitz, Senior Editor of conservativereview.com called it a “@#$% hole of an amnesty.” Last, Mark Krikorian of the nativist Center for Immigration Studies fiercely criticized the Four Pillars in a post at National Review Online calling it “The Art of the Choke.” That last piece is most significant as Krikorian was long rumored to be the Trump immigration whisperer.

Worse than the media outlet and politicians, twitter commentators are going wild in opposition and fury at President Trump’s support for amnesty. Interestingly, so are a lot of groups that represent DREAMers. Check out this strongly worded press release to Four Pillars put out by United We Dream. That is a big loss as the expanded amnesty portion of the Trump Four Pillars was meant to appeal to them. If the DREAMer groups aren’t on board and the conservative base and media are opposed, Democrats will be emboldened to oppose this.

The amnesty portion of Trump’s plan is better than many other Republican options but the cuts in legal immigration are too great. We’ve suggested other workarounds that won’t cut legal immigration that both the administration and Congress should consider. At this stage, President Trump’s amnesty plan appears to be dead on arrival among his base, conservative Republicans, in the right-wing media, and DREAMers. The best thing that may come from this is that it undercut the Goodlatte bill.

 

I pretty much opposed it because it included the amnesty, as did many or probably most Conservatives.

I might have been convinced into supporting it, if the Democrats / RINOs didn't muck it up too badly.

But it was a brilliant political move by Trump because he won either way.

If Democrats agreed them Trump would actually get a win by curtailing illegal imigration and MAGA, at least until Democrats took over again.

If Democrats acted the fool and disagreed, then Trump is on record suposuppor the Dreamers and Democrats would be against the Dreamers.

 

Except of course the Conservatives disagreed and Trump immediatly backed down looking the fool as always.

 

I am referring to what Trump offered them. Was it an official offer to Congress? Earlier, in response to CourtJester asking you to "post the plan where Trump proposed legislation to give amnesty to the dreamers", you replied by saying, "I didn't say he sponsored legislation. It didn't get that far." What didn't get that far?