Trump wants to leave NATO!

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  1. One Mind

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    I don't doubt that, given how NATO has continued to try to surround russia, with troops and weapons, including missiles. Any nation that experienced such a thing would want those forces gone. This is no indication of some evil intent by russia. You would do the same thing if in a similar position. If you had any sense and represented your nation and her people.
     
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    Does this sound like Trump wants to help Putin and get rid of NATO. The only one who has appeased Russia is Obama. But you won't hear this on CNN or MSNBC



    The Anti-Obama: Trump Selling Missile Defense To Poland ...
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    Remember when Barack Obama capitulated to Russia in 2010 by removing missile launchers in Poland that neared the Russian border? There’s a new sheriff in town. On Wednesday, the Polish state news agency PAP reported that Poland’s government will buy the Patriot missile defense system from the U.S.


    1. Trump in Poland: U.S. To Sell Warsaw Arms to Stop 'Hot …
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      In a move set to counter Russia’s reinforcement on NATO's borders, Poland and the U.S. Have agreed that Warsaw will purchase the American-made Patriot air defense missile, the Polish government announced Thursday. Trump delighted many in Poland when he announced he would be visiting the country ...

    2. Trump Sends Tank-Killing Missile To Fight Russia in ...
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      The Trump administration approved the sale of anti-tank missiles to Ukraine on Friday as it continues to fight pro-Russian forces in the eastern part of the country, a move that has angered the Kremlin and signifies the U.S. …
    Ukraine President came to Washington and asked Obama for weapons to fight these Russian backed insurgents, trying to take over the country. Obama gave them food, uniforms, night vision glasses and blankets. (NO WEAPONS) The Ukraine President said later, you can't fight a war with blankets. Trump gave them the weapons.

    Remember it was Obama caught on an open mike telling the Russian that it would be easier to work with them after the election.
     
  3. Marine1

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    If you people would get to know the truth about what Trump has done, you'd realize your trying to kill the goose laying the golden egg and a man who has worked his ass off trying to get this economy back from the disaster Obama put it in and protect this country. You listening to a lying bunch of news station that wants Trump out so this country can continue muddying the swamp. Get educated in what he is really doing.
     
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    LOL, I think once we get to know the truth about Trump, we'll be waiting for the indictments to drop and the trials to begin :D. The economy was not a "disaster" under President Obama, he inherited the worst recession (the Great Recession) since the Depression, which began in Dec 2007 and ended in June 2009. The economy has tracked in an upward trajectory since June 2009. There hasn't been a recession since and Obama is one of 4 presidents since 1961 to NOT have a recession begin in any of their terms of office - and all 4 are Democrats. The claim that Trump was handed a "mess" or a "disaster" is flat out false, which is why only Trumpbots spread this nonsense. While Trump has put in place the foundation for an economic downturn, I don't think he will be around long enough to deal with it - which is a good thing because he'd fold up like a cheap suit........
     
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    Recoveries from equity bubbles happen naturally. Obama's long tepid recovery is nothing to brag about.
     
  6. Polydectes

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    I think someone is getting trolled
     
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    nato has no power , now that those countries utilyze different banking institutions, sanctions do little to thwart the biggies & barely hurt tiny countries.

    they've all had ample time & ample monies (ours) to build up their own defenses that would work alongside ours, instead they sat by lazily, all the while taking our money... very similar to the dem/libs that want free sh*t for everyone but want someone else to pay for it...

    cut them loose and let them see just what they've done to themselves... a wake-up call for them...
     
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    Trump wants to leave NATO!

    Not a terrible idea. A better one would be to leave the UN.
     
  9. An Old Guy

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    I agree with your comment on "equity bubbles" somewhat, which is why the 2001 recession (an equities bubble, particularly tech stocks) lasted a mere 8 months and Main St was left in reasonably good shape since they have a very small stake in equities, let alone tech equities (in 2001 10% of households owned 77% of all stocks). I think a more correct term is "asset bubbles" and the one Obama was handed was a complete economic meltdown. Yes, equities took a huge hit but this time Main St took a bigger hit, resulting in the worst recession since the Depression, officially lasting 19 months (Dec 2007 - June 2009). Actually Obama does have something to brag about - he handed off an economy that was so healthy, there was no danger of a recession and the economy is still chugging along........
     
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    It IS what the CIA is doing and it should stop!
     
  11. Marine1

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    Not false at all sir. Yes Obama was handed a recession from the housing fiasco. The economy was in the basement and no place to go but up. Up it went. But what kind of jobs did he create with the highest corporate tax in the whole industrial world and record setting regulations? Over 90% of them were service and part time jobs. Those policies drove off over 300,000 manufacturing jobs. Here is proof and the people telling are mostly far Left news organizations. None of them are Right leaning.

    • How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
      Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/...


      Nov 03, 2016
      · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and … Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,


    The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

    In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

    “Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

    The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

    But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
    HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low…
    77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation...
    Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.

    "There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.



    https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery
     
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    The Trump Manufacturing Jobs Boom: 10 Times Obama's Over 21 Months

    The Great Recession officially ended in June 2009, six months into former President Obama’s first term. The economy continued to shed jobs until the following March. Manufacturing was particularly hard hit, with almost 2.3 million manufacturing jobs—some 1 in 6—lost between January 2008 and March 2010.

    As is the case during recoveries, jobs bounced back, with seasonally adjusted nonfarm employment expanding almost 12% from March 2010 until January 2017, when President Obama handed over the presidency to Donald Trump.

    But during the same period, manufacturing employment grew only 7.7% with manufacturing payrolls virtually flat in the last 21 months of the Obama administration.

    We were told it was the new normal.

    At a town hall in June 2016, President Obama famously said that some manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.” He went on to mock then-candidate Trump by saying he’d need a “magic wand” to make good on this manufacturing job promises.

    Months later, as the shock of a President-elect Donald Trump was still being absorbed, New York Times columnist and economist Paul Krugman tweeted on November 25, 2016, “Nothing policy can do will bring back those lost jobs. The service sector is the future of work; but nobody wants to hear it.”
     
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    But now that we're in the midst of a booming economy — which kicked in after Trump reversed almost all Obama's economic policies — we're supposed to believe that it's Obama who deserves all the credit.

    Yep. That's precisely what Obama and his Amen Chorus in the press want us to believe.

    In his speech in Illinois last Friday, Obama complained that Republicans were taking credit for his work.

    "When you hear how great the economy's doing right now, let's just remember when this recovery started," he said. "I mean, I'm glad it's continued, but … suddenly Republicans are saying it's a miracle."

    This week, White House Council of Economic Advisers Chairman Kevin Hassett wisely set the record straight. At a briefing on Monday, he noted that just about every important economic indicator showed the economy was stalling out in Obama's last year.

    Hassett explained that small business optimism had been on the decline before the November 2016 election. The percentage of businesses saying it's a good time to expand was, too. Business investment was stagnant. All those turned upward starting in 2017. Applications for new businesses are now well above the trend over Obama's entire second term, Hassett noted. And blue-collar jobs are growing faster than any time since the Reagan administration.

    Turnaround on GDP Growth
    There's more. The rate of GDP growth was decelerating in Obama's last year. It went from 2.3% in Q2, to 1.9% in Q3 to 1.8% in Q4 of 2016. Under Trump, GDP growth has averaged 2.9%. It was 4.2% last quarter and might be higher in the current one.

    The stock market also was stuck in neutral the year before the November 2016 elections. The Dow is up by some 45% since then.

    Real median family income didn't budge from August 2015 to November 2016, according to Sentier Research. It's up more than 4% since Trump came into office. Wages are on the upswing.


    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-trump-booming-economy/
     
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    Obama's regulations in 2016 to drain economy by $2 trillion ...

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    May 31, 2017 - The Obama administration issued a record number of new regulations on its way out the door in 2016, leaving an administrative state that saps the economy of nearly $2 trillion a year, according to a new report being released Wednesday. The government itself spent $63 billion in ...

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    Dec 30, 2016 - Today, Friday the 30th, is the last federal workday of 2016. And the printed version of the Federal Register, the daily depository of all things ...
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    Does The US Have The Highest Corporate Tax Rate In The World?

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    Aug 7, 2017 - The top corporate tax rate in the U.S., a combination of federal and state and local taxes, is nearly 39 percent this year. That's well above most other OECD nations.
     
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    The "letter" of which agreements exactly?

    And how is allowing people to join NATO who are afraid of a revanchist Russia "warmongering"?
     
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    Yes, Obama had continued growth. He created a lot off jobs. CNN and MSNBC told you all that and it sounded good until you heard the rest of the story they didn't tell you. Trouble is, there are not to many telling the rest of the story. You have it all wrong about Trump. He is just what this country needed to bring this country back and fix all the wrong Obama did that I am sure you don't know all that either.
     
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    Which executive branch insiders?

    Name them
     
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    This was part of his campaign. Something like if they don't pay their share we will leave.
     
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    That he did. He said it right from the start. Our NATO partners, especially Germany was putting in as little as possible. That put a bigger financial burden on us. He was tough on them and got condemned for it. But he did what Bush and Obama tried to do nicely and failed.
     
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    For someone who claims to be a History Teacher you sure do not know much about History.

    .https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/71385

    I never stated that allowing people (you mean nations) to join NATO was warmongering. Get some reading comprehension. What I said was building bases in the former eastern bloc nations was warmongering - in particular putting ABM's on Russia's border.
     
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    When he said it is irrelevant.
     
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    Funny how democrats never minded when Obama held his secret meetings with Russia.

    Nato was created to defend Europe. For the love of GOD, we must get out of business being the big kid on the block in Europe. Europe now has wonderful weapons and trained troops.

    Russia has not attacked us. It seems unlikely now that they are not communist they ever will.

    People either do not recall or forgot how the Soviets were. They still see the Russian people as they saw the Soviets. I recall when we waged war on Germany yet today we are their ally. Time to grow the hell up and act friendly to Russia.
     
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    Part of his butt buddy Putin's price for being allowed to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.
     
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    Obama rushed armor and troops to Russia's border. I believed that Trump would rather rapidly yank them back out. Trump has sure not been very friendly to Russia. Oh he tries to sound as if he is, but his actions speak louder.
     
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    Where is that Trump tower in moscow so I am able to look at it using Google?
     

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