Trump Withholds $255 Million in Aid To Pakistan

It's about time!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-country-giving-safe-haven-to-terrorists.html

Pakistan hid Osama bin Laden for years, and they have always played a double game. I hope they never see another nickel of our tax money. A good decision by President Trump.

 

This is a good start.

 

If I recall, he talked about this during the campaign, and now he's doing it.

 

More UN inanity...

Pakistan, Headed to UN Human Rights Council, Expands Crackdown on Online ‘Blasphemy’
December 26, 2017 – Days before it takes up a seat on the U.N. Human Rights Council – for its fourth term in the council’s 11-year history – Pakistan’s federal cabinet has approved a legal amendment designed to facilitate an ongoing crackdown on “blasphemy” on social media.

 

All this time the U.S. has basically been paying a ransom to Pakistan not to harbor terrorists.

George Bush needed the cooperation of Pakistan to help flush out the Taliban from Afghanistan, so the U.S. began sending them money and military aide, but the whole time Pakistan had been kind of half-hearted about the whole effort.

After all, how much difference is there really between the shariah law the Taliban wanted to impose on people and the Islamic law people in Pakistan are forced to live under?

 

What is interesting is that Pakistan co-sponsored the UN resolution calling upon all countries to refrain from establishing diplomatic missions in Jerusalem. Looks like Pakistan will have to pay for it's own military now.... at least the Chinese investment should help

China is Investing $57 Billion Into Pakistan and yes I don't see why the US should pay Pakistan to look after Chinese investors

http://fortune.com/2017/08/28/china-invests-pakistan/

 

If the money is transfered to the Pakistan goverment, than Trump did the right thing by stopping the transaction.
If some of the money will be monitored for modern education, human rights, health, hospitals etc .. than mmmm .. let them have some of it

 

I am quite pleased. I wondered if Bush trusted Musharraf way too much. General Franks wrote in his book that he believed Bin Laden had crossed into Pakistan and was not in the White Mountains when he had those caves blown to hell. Those bombs would blow up the world trade center with great ease.

 

**** Pakistan. No more aid, cut ties with them completely and let the m die in their own swill. Make it clear that if a nuclear site comes under terrorist control we will bomb the **** out of it.

 

Pakistan's elites are thumbing their nose at the US but if ISIS gets a foothold in Pakistan their privileged lifestyle will be threatened. Also wonder how China think it's going to build its CPEC with conflict due to increase in the area and why they would want to open their door to this part of the world if it's going down the drain.

 

There's a lot of difference.......

 

At one point during his tenure, Bush declared that he wasn’t pursuing OBL and frankly didn’t even think about him. The US government has been very successful in exploiting various individuals from time to time to use as a fearmongering tool against the American people. And nothing really has to change, just flip a switch. Hussein was a useful idiot for a period, until all the handwringing began over his sometimes just made up crimes against his own, and alleged threat to the United States vis his phantom weapons of mass destruction program.

Iraq was one of the more secular of countries in the ME and provided a lot of much needed security in the region. People came from across the region to go to university there. Women enjoyed much more freedom there than many countries around them. but you just need the government and the media to start a barrage of disinformation and in three or four weeks you may poll Americans and that will be the biggest problem facing them at the moment. “Do we have to wait for the smoking gun to come in the form of a mushroom crowd” scared a lot of Americans and it didn’t matter one bit that Hussein had neither the inclination nor the ability to produce one in America.

 

Forign aid is about one percent of total federal spendin and of that about 30-40% goes for military aid. The arms merchants of America will not be pleased.

 

Here we go again. Poor wonderful and picked on Saddam Hussein. We simply ruined his life for him and he was just the poor patsy, as the Democrats tell the story.

Trouble is, prior to Bush, that story is what Clinton used until his last day in office. Congress used the story. Who was Bush supposed to believe?

Bush by law could not pursue Bin Laden in Pakistan. Who recalls that when Obama put his troops in there, he broke the law? And got lucky off the Bush intelligence that put him in Pakistan.

 

Nope. Saddam hussein wasn’t wonderful, he just had a secular way of pursuing his authoritarian rule that was less damaging then many of his neighbors. And the US destroyed that country, and it’s not a partisan issue. Bush happened to be president when Iraq was illegally attacked by the US, but there was ample, yeah overwhelming support from Americans left and right. Opposing the Iraq war during the buildup was very painful for the very few Americans that opposed it in real time, such was the ardent nationalism at the time. You’re always going to be anti American when you oppose America getting into gratuitous war, always. That’s nothing new.

 

I never hear of Stalin nor Hitler nor ToJo of Japan called secular. Is that better than plain old extremely dangerous?

President Bush invaded a state Clinton had waged one hell of a war against. Congress urged the war.

 

And you’ll never hear of any legitimate historians comparing ToJo, Hitler or Stalin to Hussein, shrug.

 

In America, our education is run by our Democrats/left wing, so perhaps you are correct.

 

Oh dear, more partisan drivel.

 

I'll be impressed when he does this with Israel. You recall we partnered with Osama at one point, yeah?

• Israeli arms sales to Europe grew from $724M in 2014 to $1.63B in 2015
• Although the size of New Jersey Israel is one of the top 10 arms dealing nations in the world
• Israel produces 60% of all drones worldwide and sells to over 50 countries, at times selling to both sides of a given conflict, and Israel fueled the drones arms race between India and Pakistan

Palestine is an open air weapons testing and crowd control laboratory with Palestinians being used in the development phase; Gaza is a lab of mass destruction. US super bunker busters were supplied to the Israelis in 2014 and investors stock shot up; war is just business after all.

The “War in Terror” has been a boon to the industry, you’ve seen what amounts to advertisement in every “news” outlet, we are being whipped up into a frenzy once again. The industry also pioneers crowd control research on the Palestinians, and Israel is involved in the training of American forces and law enforcement. We see this in the militarization of our own police departments, Ferguson was but one example of how our system is prepping to Palestinianize our own population, and in fact Ferguson now has Israeli developed/sold skunk spray post the Ferguson events, although no incidents have yet been reported of use on American streets. It’s pretty clear that the Israeli occupation style power structure is moving toward the same in America; a warehousing of the poor in a post industrial age with diminishing living wage jobs and privatized for profit prisons complete with a return to convict leasing.

Much of the security monitoring and mass surveillance technologies are also produced in Israel and sold across the globe. “Targeted assassination” was invented in Israel, which Obama was quite fond of. Abu Ghraib torture methods? Israel.

The US and Israel are not allies. The US and Israeli arms dealers are allies, and war is the business they are both in. We are all collateral damage.

 

Preach it.............

 

i have no problem with this IF it was backed up with a policy, but I can't seem to find any reference to an actual policy or doctrine.

The fact that China (et.al.) is more than willing to step into the breech is indicative of the consequences of America's ideological retreat from its historic international position.

 

I could remember hearing that Pakistan had paid a very heavy price for helping the US so I decided to see if I could get more information. This was written in 2011 so a while ago

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/nabeela-zahir/911-a-pakistan-aftermath_b_956426.html

It is so easy to forget but Pakistan has been through hell because of 9/11 and its aftermath. Last I was looking at them several years ago they were all but a failed state.

I guess if China is thinking of giving them money then maybe they will keep them going. No idea how this may end but think it would be well to remember they are a nuclear power.

 

no... there's no policy, Trump is a reactionary creature but many of his threats/tweets have generally been based on intel. It's almost as if someone in his Administration is pulling his strings, Pompeo... Mattis... don't know. In October after the Boyle's were released he said

Two months later he's taking back 255mil in funding and Pakistan needs to do more...why? What was he told? Pakistan's intelligence services supporting the Haqqani network and other militants is nothing new

I believe it's likely ISIS, Pakistan is perfect for ISIS, Millions of poor and in Balochistan officials closing schools for girls... that's ISIS doctrine right there. The issues are however ISIS threatens the lifestyle of the Pakistani elites, CPEC and Chinese investment, stability in the region including Afghanistan...it's mid Winter there now, wonder what's going to happen when Spring comes

 

Its a good thing that some of his tweets are based on intel. OTOH, more of them are based on what fox and friends have to say.



[/quote]Two months later he's taking back 255mil in funding and Pakistan needs to do more...why? What was he told? Pakistan's intelligence services supporting the Haqqani network and other militants is nothing new


I believe it's likely ISIS, Pakistan is perfect for ISIS, Millions of poor and in Balochistan officials closing schools for girls... that's ISIS doctrine right there. The issues are however ISIS threatens the lifestyle of the Pakistani elites, CPEC and Chinese investment, stability in the region including Afghanistan...it's mid Winter there now, wonder what's going to happen when Spring comes[/QUOTE]

Pakistan is a dogs breakfast and has been battling a "duel identity" for decades. And yes a third world country suffering with extreme poverty, no opportunities and little real education is a perfect breeding ground for radicalism.

I believe once again, Don Donald has knee jerked a reaction due to his anger at not having the world endorse his jerusalem decision. Its a dilemma. Supporting a besieged democratic nuclear armed government or assuming that they are in cahoots with the very terrorists they are under seige from an cutting everyone off. There is no doubt that there is a faction of "officials" within Pakistan who side with the Islamist whackos. But I think this is yet another example of him throwing out the baby with the bath water.