Trumpery's Dotage?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    With only 326 days left to the midterm elections, salvation appears in the offing.

    Of course, today's national sentiment cannot anticipate the myriad vagaries of the interim, certainly not the progress of the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel, nor the possibility of Putin's again perverting the US democratic process, but if past is prelude then, as a temporal ineluctability, the present must be.
     
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    That leaves President Trump 326 more days to appoint conservative judges, push his tax cuts, and aggravate the snot out of the idiot lefties in the DNC. If nothing else, well done Mr. President.
     
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    Despite his extremely unpopular agenda, I'm hoping the enfeebled reality-tv performer can hang on. Ayatollah Pence is far more capable of conniving with congressional extremists to make the United States a theocracy.
     
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    Who cares? Trump is doing what those who put him is office are expecting him to do. The side bonus, the idiot lefties at the DNC and the mainstream media are getting more desperate every day. This is a hoot watching them make fools of themselves on TV and in political forums.
     
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    Oh look, the incorrect predictions are starting early.
     
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    The poll that the sanders campaigned used, to show that on many of his issues, a majority of americans supported these issues, which included stopping illegal immigration(what the Koch's wanted) and ending slave labor free trade globalism, is not an unpopular agenda, except with the corporate/banking GOPhers and Democrats. These issues were supported by both sanders and trump supporters. Trump ran on investing in america as did sanders and this is also popular with the american people. So not all of trump's agenda is unpopular. And this is indeed worth noting.

    I agree that trump is much better than Pence would be when it comes social issues. It would not serve the socially liberal dems to replace trump with pence. Pence is an anachronism, but social cons would really love him. And the establishment GOP who uses social issues to misdirect their voters away from their economic treason would love themselves some Pence.
     
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    His failures to build his "big, beautiful" wall, "immediately!" repeal 'ObamaCare', and institute "something wonderful!" Trump®Care that "covers everybody!" aside, it is in pandering to his cult that he evokes his relentlessly squalid approval numbers with most Americans.
     
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    They started with the Alabama pervert's victory, I believe.
     
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    I differ to the conclusions of most Americans in the consistent and steady findings of virtually all public surveys.
     
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    Not really, unless 538 wrongly predicted that one also.
     
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    Denial is an option, certainly.
     
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    He must be doing something right, he has everybody on the left outside screaming at the sky.
     
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    If the economy stays in an upward trajectory I do not see much of a change. If the economy plunges then I could see the Dems taking control.
     
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    Yes, I have no doubt that what you want is not in line with the working and middle class americans And so, you backing the banking/corporate democratic party, who have no intention of representing the people dems used to represent, comes through clearly in what you post on this forum. But in a nation whose economic model will continue to impoverish americans while taking away the ability of the working and middle class to live without welfare, you are, in the end, on the wrong side. That your party wants the same as the GOP wants, cannot endure, and you might find yourself in the GOP sooner or later. For I do not think the DP can continue on as offering nothing different from the GOP on these issues which put trump into office and gave hillary a run for her money. That many dems see themselves with an upper middle class mentality, when there are not enough of this class of people will be around to vote for this party in the future is an Achilles Heel, IMO. For blacks and hispanics will not always remain clueless as to what the DP is. And once they see themselves as working and middle class americans, the DP will lose their ability to con these people into voting for them. There are more and more calls for a 3rd party to replace the DP, and it seems to be growing, although MSM is mum about it. For a growing number of americans are figuring out that the party of the People is not the DP even as they realize the DP has no plans of changing. Too many of them think as you do, and just do not care about the masses with dirty finger nails, even as the numbers continue to grow in regards to this class of people.

    The only thing the DP can do, is to continue on with identity politics, to try to keep the blacks, hispanics and whites, who are all working people divided so as to play them against others who are in the same economic boat. I just do not think they will succeed, given that this economic suffering isn't gonna lessen, but increase. And that is what will get rid of what the dems have worked so hard to achieve, division, to keep all of these working people from seeing the interests of the white working class is the same as the hispanics and blacks. And then to realize how nefariously clever the DP was, in order that they could keep feeding from the same slop buckets as the GOP.
     
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    Presidents usually benefit from a good economy, to be sure.

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    I merely cite Trump's consistently dismal numbers in all national surveys, and have no need to spin them one way or another. They speak for themselves.

    You probably cannot accept the findings of the CBO and other independent analyses that Trump's deficit-bloating transfer of wealth to corporations and the wealthiest Americans is what it is.
     
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    Sure, I can accept facts. What is hard to accept though, are polls, especially after the polls in regards to the general. Clearly those polls most of them were just false, and did not reflect reality. And it proved that polls have become useless, unless they were used to try to affect results. I am not at all sure the polls in regards to trump are accurate. We have seen that when it comes to trump, they can be and were wrong. What has changed, which might correct this? Nothing.

    Trump's problem lies in his personality, IMO. It is so easy to dislike his personality. I sure don't like it. But since I have always been an issues voter, his personality does not poison my mind, giving far too much weight to accessment based upon emotions. Personally as I have said before, I do not think he will improve the economic life of his voters. But that is why they voted for him as well as why people voted for sanders They believed he would do something to help them out. People bought into obam's hope and change, and they were not voting in order that their electric bills would go up as he promised them. They ignored that part and heard only what they wanted to hear For the first time he ran, he had people convinced he would work for change, and they thought he meant economic changes which would take away some of the economic suffering they were living under. He of course like trump, fooled these people He turned out to be just another establishment politician, representing no one but the top dogs. But americans keep hoping...but they will get no help until we get another FDR kinda person. Who will take on the elites and their self interests.
     
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    I do not believe that there is a vast, inclusive conspiracy of all public survey organizations to fabricate Trump's consistently abysmal polling numbers, nor the invariably low support for his wall, wealth redistribution scheme, ObamaCare replacement, climate change pariah status, etc.

    They all reflect the sentiments I often here, and I cannot pretend that such a huge, mysterious, coordinated deception could go undetected for so long.

    Some just can't handle the truth, and denial give rise to paranoid
     
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    Nobody has stated where they are going to get more poorly bitter old white christians from to win in the future
     
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    Normally, that would be the case and I would gladly agree with you. But even with the economy currently humming along, well, at least for the super-rich, polling is showing a huge pasting in the making for the Rs. The reason for this you can find with the following words:

    Donald J. Trump + albatross + neck + sinking + drowning
     
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    That is very, very incorrect.
     
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    His agenda isn't unpopular. It is his tweets that are unpopular. You must be confusing the two. Have you been anti-american for a while now?
     
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    If you are anti-American, that is your business.

    No, Trump does not earn 37% approval /57% disapproval by hysterical pissy tweets alone. See http://pollingreport.com/trump_ad.htm.
     
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    No, I said you are anti-American. But that is your business.
     
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    Guess like many Trump supporters you have conviently forgotten his pre election promises. Fortunatly there seem to be enought intelligent Republicans to drive his approval ratings to historical lows.
     
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