Trumps an Idiot; Democrats too far left; where do you go?

I feel like a rescue dog. I’m not as young as I used to be , but I’m loyal, responsible, pragmatic, and would like to see a hard nosed, pro business, common sense party in control. I consider myself a moderate Republican. Trump has taken the Republican Party off the rails. His pathological personality and immoral character, has ruined him to all but the blind faithful. The Democratic Party is too far left for me, and will likely move even further left. The two party system sucks! Is there any realistic place to go?

 

Not presently. If Joe Biden is too far to the left, I don't think there is anything the Dems can do for you besides abandon all semblance of progressivity whatsoever and become total Rhinos ideologically. This guy is like two millimeters or less to the left of Jimmy Carter and Bill (neoliberal) Clinton. He's closer to Dick Gephardt, Amy klobuchar and John Glenn than he is to Pete Buttigieg John Kerry or Harris.

 

JUST look at what the supposedly pro business party have brought down upon our country, the biggest closure of businesses in our nations history.

 

Senator Tom Cotton

 

Biden being a moderate is a myth. A moderate would not have chosen Harris, the most liberal member of the Senate, as his Vice President, nor would he be campaigning for Raphael Warnock, who, like Biden, has not ruled out expanding the Supreme Court. Actions speak louder than words; and although Biden and his partisan supporters describe him as a moderate, his actions tell a different story.

 

That would be the Democrats governors of those states enforcing lockdowns. When Trump said he could overrule those governors, the liberal media and members on this forum vociferously countered that, saying that Trump would be going beyond the bounds of the Constitution, saying that this was one example of autocratic tendencies. And they were right about it being against the Constitution. My governor in NC is a Democrat (Cooper, terrible), and he has tightened restrictions, putting in a curfew of 10:00 PM to 5:00 AM for most businesses, treating us like children. I've seen police officers parked outside of businesses, making sure they close their doors by 10:00 PM or be fined or worse. Please be honest: these lockdowns are Democrat lockdowns. Plain and simple.

 

If you're undecided after putting up with trump for four years I suggest you don't vote.

 

Weird that closures appear primarily in blue cities/states. I can show the data if you like...


Gee I wonder if draconian lockdowns imposed by Democratic autocrats affect the unemployment rate?

 

All these are Democrats.

So, to borrow your message, if you see all of this and more, and you are still undecided, I suggest you don't vote.

 

If you are independent now, you'll probably continue being independent. That isn't a bad thing. Think of the ways you will challenge the parties, not which party you will give up and join. How can you encourage the Dems to stand up to the far left and how can you encourage the GOP to find an identity beyond Trump worship? I'm in the same camp, but there's lots that can be done there.

 

There are actually very few independents in the U.S. From what I've read the overwhelming majority of people who call themselves "independents" are actually so inclined toward one party or the other that they are effectively party members.

 

Are the same people consistently and predominantly inclined toward the same party over time? That's what it would take to be "effectively party members." Sorry, not buying it until I see evidence. I normally only hear this sort of argument from people leaning one direction heavily anyway.

 

China.

 

A bit of simple thinking might help you here: Biden wanted to win; he knew he needed the women vote and the "coloureds" vote, so Harris was an obvious choice. He also wishes a dems controlled senate, so he obviously supports Warnock.

You see, it's not that difficult if you try and put some logics in it.

BTW, I'm not a Biden fan.

 

Pretty silly, that.
Here's a name for you. President Lyndon Baines Johnson . He was so 'moderate,' His only chance to win the nomination was to pick a northern liberal Here's another name for you Vice President Hubert Humphrey
former member of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party and one of the most liberal/progressive senators in the Senate.

Here's a name for you Gov of Massachusetts Michael Dukakis. Here's another name for you Senator from Texas Lloyd Benson, his running mate.

Ronald Reagan picked George Bush.

Carter picked Mondale.

Its called 'ticket balance', and its the oldest trick in the book to unify divergent strands in a national party.

Biden had no business or need taking a stance on 'expanding the Supreme court' regardless of how much the left or right wanted him to. He decided to keep his options open, and it worked. He won this election by doing just that. How much do you want to bet that Biden never endorses or signs a law to increase the number of supreme court justices? Not happening.

 

Yes, hopefully what I believe is the silent majority of Americans that are somewhere in the middle/right will come out of this on top. The diametrically opposed head winds of The Trumpers and the AOC’s is quite daunting for those that we’re basically happy with the Country as it is. Not perfect, always room to improve, but a great Country none the less. Too bad that some people just don’t know what they got til it’s gone.

 

I don't consider the democrats left at all. Sure they talk like they are, but in reality they are a maintain the status quo party. I feel your pain though. I very reluctantly voted for Trump because Biden is too old and feeble and his crack-addict son is a spoiled brat who will try to bilk everybody he can in daddy's name. I guess you could go with the libertarians. I am pretty disgusted by both sides. I am just as repulsed that my district elected a Jesus zealot republican to the House as I am that my country elected a dementia patient democrat as President.

 

Nope Joe Biden is who ever his buyers wish him to be.

 

Fake News. Trump restored the Judiciary, a job that has been left undone for 85 years. Trump brought minority unemployment down to levels never seen before and overall unemployment down to levels we haven't see since the early 60's. Trump brought more peace to the Middle East than we've seen since before World War One. Trump had the first presidency since Jimmy Carter that didn't start a new war, and where Jimmy did it as lapdog, Trump accomplished this through strength and the clear communication that under his leadership the US was not to be messed with.

You are beyond blessed that Trump was your President, and since he got more done than most do in two terms, it's good that he is returning to private life with so many good years ahead of him.

Your idea of a "good" GOP president is probably someone like that suck up loser, Mitt Romney.

MYSTIFIED MITTENS: Romney Baffled That 2024 GOP Contenders “are trying to become as much like Donald Trump as they can be.”

Romney accepting his 2012 pummeling by the DNC-MSM without fighting back was one of the key mile-markers on the road to Trump.

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Failed 2012 GOP presidential candidate and insanely jealous former Massachusetts governor, and current Senator from Utah, Mitt “Marches with Marxists” Romney is the poster-child for much that ushered in President Trump’s presidency.

Romney is routinely and rightly rapped as a milquetoast conservative and weak, effeminate waffling grifter with his finger wetted to the polls. When it comes to the role of government in Americans’ lives, he’s not and never has been a conservative.

He’s just another progressive seeking to expand federal government, tax the middle classes into oblivion, and restrict our freedoms as demonstrated by his proud march with self-proclaimed Marxists this summer. If you're a big government type, why claim to be a conservative?

Mittens whined to Politico about how his whipped, beaten, groveling version of the GOP is no more. Because Trump.

The Republican Party has strayed from the principles that Sen. Mitt Romney once knew it for, he lamented on Sunday.​

Appearing on CNN’s “State of the Union,” the Utah Republican and past GOP presidential nominee said his party has taken a “different course” from its embrace of free trade, concerns about government spending and hawkishness on Russia.​

. . . . On Sunday, the Utah senator characterized the GOP he once knew as one that placed importance on the character of its leaders. Now, he said, he represents a small slice of the party.​

“We’ve strayed from that. I don’t see us returning to that for a long time,” Romney lamented. “As I look at the 2024 [GOP presidential] contenders, most of them are trying to become as much like Donald Trump as they can be.”​

Romney should take this insight and wonder about the role of an elected official. Is it to push their own agenda on the people, whether we like it or not? Or is it to represent the people’s agenda in government? We Conservatives never shared his vision, but we rallied behind him because we believed that we were on the same team. Then in 2016 when the establishment pukes lost, did they come together with us like we did for them? Oh hell now, they voted for Hillary or Egg McMuffin.

So you claim to be a Conservative, but, I doubt it, certainly you aren't on our team. You should probably go join your progressive buddies on the Left. Here in the GOP we support Free and Fair Trade, Liberty and Freedom, free exercise of religion and a square deal for the American Worker.

 

If people were to wear mask and social distance then restrictions aren't necessary

Unfortunately Trump has not made that important and in fact cheers those who do not

So because of that the Virus is spreading

and public officials have no choice but to treat those people as children as they are acting like that

 

California, where lockdowns are one of the most stringent, is currently number two in states in which the Chinese Virus is most spreading. (1) Additionally, people wearing masks can still transmit the disease. In fact, there is a good chance they can transmit the disease--a 35% chance. (2) Although the evidence is not clear on a wide scale, at the microlevel, I've seen people wearing masks, but not socially distancing, as they have a false sense of security. Also it has become a political symbol, unfortunately, weaponized by Democrats against Republicans. When Biden supporters were dancing in the streets, drinking from the same wine bottles, and not socially distancing, there were many Democrats on this forum defending them. In fact, Biden endorsed this behavior when he thanked the crowd while speaking with Chuck Schumer, who was in the thick of the celebration, sometimes not wearing a mask nor socially distancing. Furthermore, cloth masks can increase your risk of getting sick. (3) So, it's not as black and white as you are portraying it to be.

1. https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/2020/12/20/gda-covid-19-state-2020-12-20-ca-ppas/43293789/
2. https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/news/your-mask-cuts-own-risk-65-percent/
3. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150422121724.htm

 

Trump was fine, it was putting up with the left which was difficult.

 

Hi Coachac,

I'm also a moderate, leaning conservative, but it depends on the topic. Sometimes I lean somewhat left. I was a Republican when I first registered to vote. I'm 65, and it was probably two decades ago that I became disenchanted with Republicans and switched to what my state calls "unaffiliated", but what I call "independent".

I have grown, adult children and 4 grandchildren. I've have a son who fought on the ground in wars since 9/11. This gives me a certain perspective that I want to share with you.

I understand how you feel about Trump. On a strictly personal level, I don't care for the guy. I see all of his personality flaws just like you do.

But what I've learned over the years is that they don't really matter. They only matter if we let them matter. Here's the deal ...

It is not Trump's personality that can effect our children and grandchildren. What does effect them are policy decisions that steer our country towards the future. On most (not all, but most) policies, I agree with Trump, and that was the overriding reason why I voted for him.

4 years from now, I think the Republicans will nominate a mainstream Republican politician, and you may feel a bit less disenchanted with the Republicans when that happens. I expect there will be a robust fight for the White House, and anything could happen.

Seth

 

Was there anything about his actual policies you liked or disliked?

I'm sorry but if you are basing your vote on how likeable someone is then I agree with my leftist friend that you probably shouldn't be voting.

The job is president not being your pastor.

 

The job of a President is not to say look at her face, like he did to Carly Fiorina. The job of a draft dodging President is not to call someone who served with honor, and was a POW a loser. The job of a President is to have an ounce of morals. The job of a President is to be someone that we would all want our kids to grow up and be like.,Trump is none of those things.