Trump's crazy designation of Antifa as terrorist organization

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Should Antifa be designated a terrorist organization

  1. Yes - the blood of many innocents is on the hands of ANTIFA

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  2. No - I can't recall too many deaths of innocents by ANTIFA

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/opinions/trump-antifa-domestic-terrorist-bergen/index.html


    There seems to be no rhyme or reason these days for applying the "Terrorist" designation to some group that Gov't doesn't like.

    IMO - this is a dangerous practice as it allows the Gov't to target any group it doesn't like. The danger is that this word gets thrown around so much that it loses its meaning - and at some point people will no longer take the label seriously.

    It also lessens the integrity of Gov't proclamations and certainly Gov't legitimacy. Who knows what to believer these days when Gov't opens its mouth... be it the State Department - our intelligence agencies - or the EPA.

    So what is the definition for Terrorism that we are using - or should be using ?

    Terrorism - to me involves the intentional targeting and/or killing of innocents.

    By this definition I don't see ANTIFA as being a terrorist organization - The Pentagon on the other hand fit's the bill.
     
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    struth Well-Known Member

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    Why is it crazy to call a group that fire bombs buildings, loots businesses, assaults citizens, and destroys property a terrorist group? Isn't it their goal to commit these acts of terror to impact our Govt and political process?

    Are they not intentionally targeting innocent businesses and business owners?
     
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  3. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Depends on the definition you want to use. If you wish to label the Boston Tea Party actors as "Terrorists" - you are welcome to do so but I figure that brush is too broad.

    It is not that the above acts are not criminal - they just don't meet the Terrorism bar.
     
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    These folks certainly fit your definition. Why on earth are you defending them?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do they fit the definition ? How many intentionally targeted innocents have been killed by ANTIFA - and provide link.
     
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    No the Brits certainly did call them terrorist...and that was their goal, to demand change in the Govt. The American Colonist were being oppressed by not having representation in the legislature and still being taxed.

    These folks have representation; however, apparently don't believe in the American Republic and the Constitution. Morever, instead of directing their anger on the Govt, they are targeting their fellow citizens We also, unlike during the time of King George, have a system for them to use non-violent means....they have decided not to.
     
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    Right? and how is the Pentagon a terrorist organization? The Pentagon is the United States Govt...I don't see them firebombing any businesses in Atl, DC, NYC, etc.
     
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    You didn't say killed. You said targeted. Business owners and police officers count, don't they?
     
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    I don't think the Brits called them terrorists because that word was not in fashion at the time. The question here though is not about the Brits. The question here is about whether or not the Tea Party folks should be correctly labeled terrorists.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just because you target innocents - say with a bomb - does not mean you will kill everyone. I should have been more clear though.

    Terrorism involves the killing of innocents - or the attempt (targeting) to kill innocents - setting a bomb off in some crowded area where average people congregate.

    Of course business owners count and civil servants in general.

    If you don't like this definition - then provide a different one por favor.
     
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    Well, after reviewing your defintion and doing some research, i Think your defination is right...they wouldn't be, since they didn't target civilians...until Antifia who is in fact doing that for political purposes.

    I fail once again to see how the Pentagon would fit in.
    noun
    1. a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
     
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    The Pentagon target's and kills innocents. Just because someone is committing terrorism on behalf of the Gov't - does not make such an action "not terrorism"

    If you wish to come up with a different definition of terrorism - you are welcome to do so - but post what you think that definition should be.
     
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    you answered your own question for me.
    Terrorism = Antifa
     
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    These riots are happening because city governments are allowing them to happen.
    No new legal authority is needed.
     
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    You are entitled to define anything as you wish. I view them as terrorists.
     
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    The term "unlawful" is problematic. Any nation can make any law - just because something is not unlawful - does not mean it is not terrorism IMO.

    The Pentagon often targets innocents for death - and supports terrorism movements.

    Regardless - the point was to show how we need to be careful in making these definitions
     
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    I gave my definition. What is yours ?
     
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    The AntiFa folks are criminals, but not terrorist.
    The Tea Party folks are not criminals or terrorists.
     
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    I think the action was "criminal" - but perhaps justified .. definitely not terrorism though.
     
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    I suggest you look up the defintion of a terrorist

    here I will do it for you

    1.a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims:

    so now please explain how this doesn't describe what AntaFa been doing

    and no you dont get to make up your own definitions to fit your narrative
     
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    It's about time Antifa was labeled a terrorist group!
     
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    Can you name the innocent individuals they have targeted? If someone is acting on behalf of the Govt, then they aren't acting as an individual.

    I agree with your defindation, and posted the defination
     
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    We can't agree that looting is unlawful?

    What innocent individuals have the Pentagon targeted for death?
     
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    There are many definitions of Terrorism. Some - such as the one you posted - are ridiculous. The word "unlawful" is problematic - as any a Gov't can make anything "lawful".
     
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