Trump's Mistake at the Boy Scout Jamboree

Fact 1. The article you linked is an opinion piece (aka useless) and almost 4 months old (missing a majority of polling data for Trump's presidency). A lot has happened since then.

Fact 2. Nation-wide polls were pretty accurate. http://heavy.com/news/2017/07/abc-n...p-approval-rating-election-accuracy-accurate/

Fact 3. Many of the above pollsters show trump at a sub 40% approval rating. The lowest in history for a second quarter.

 

LOL! Mark Penn was Clinton's pollster!
Did you think he was an "alt.right rube"?

 

This refuted nothing I wrote, nor did I suggest the second line.

 

Yes, sanctions did help Russia to modernize and to replace a lot of imported technologies with that of their own manufacture, while hurting mostly European businesses.

Would it surprise you to know, for the last four years Americans in most large cities like NY, LA, Chicago, Miami, SF and everything in between been riding public transportation, using hi tech contactless tickets, manufactured and exported from Russia? Does this knowledge angers you?

Things like that are not advertised for it is no in the best interests of all involved, but that's sanctions for you. Putin thanks Obama and US Congress for the sanctions, while Europeans blame Obama and US Congress.

There.

 

It refutes everything you wrote because it reveals the unreliability of polling. Even leading Democrats are admitting it now.

“If Trump is the Antichrist, as they believe, then Georgia was going to be a cakewalk, and Nancy Pelosi was going to be installed as speaker before the midterms by acclamation. But it turned into another soul-sucking disappointment.

“It’s Trump four and us zero,” says the Democratic congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio. “I don’t want to admit that. When it comes out of my mouth, it bothers me. But Trump does robo calls. He tweets. He talks about the races. He motivates his base, and he moves the needle, and that’s a problem for us. Guys, we’re still doing something wrong here because a) he’s president and b) we’re still losing to his candidates.” THE NEW YORK TIMES, Donald Skunks the Democrats, Maureen Dowd, JUNE 24, 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/24/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-jon-ossoff-democrats.html

Personally, I am fine with Democrats - and Republicans relying on flawed polling data.

 

no you are wrong. sorry comrade. maybe you should just become a russian citizen

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac.../how-have-sanctions-impacted-russias-economy/

 

I'm not sure if you're willfully missing the point. Look, I'll get out my crayons, the approval polling data is an apples to apples comparison to past presidents. Unless you're suggesting the pollsters modified their methodology to make trump look bad you have no argument. Anyone who bothered to think for a fraction of a second would come to the same conclusion. You should try it.

 

No my friend, I'm right and you are wrong. The russkies have increasingly been exporting high tech into USA, sanctions notwithstanding. This **** stays below horizon for the obvious reasons, it's just that I'm in the middle of it to know.

Why, did I hurt your patriotic feelings? Sanctions do not work. As easy as that. Axe Germans and French who been hurt by sanctions the most

 

I understand polling can be unreliable. But the national polls I use for approval were pretty accurate for the election,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ional-poll-in-the-2016-presidential-election/

You have not refuted this fact with any direct data.

Donald Trump has historic low approvals for a second quarter, and I will continue to use that statement until I see counter evidence.

 

The Russian are using the greed of certain individuals (the dangle) to get them to compromise their country. But you already know and live with this comrade.

 

LOL! More silly ad hominem nonsense pretending to be rational rebuttal.

In fact, any evidence that the polls have been wrong undermines their credibility. As even Democrat pollsters and pundits now admit the polls have been very wrong - especially about Trump.

Look up "credibility", and brace yourself: being wrong is not good for the credibility thing.

 

Some of the polls. Not all. Many national polls were quite accurate. These same polls show Trump's approval rating is extremely poor. No counter-data has been presented.

 

Trump had low polling numbers from the day he announced until he won the elections. A few pollsters hedged their bets a bit in the last week, but the numbers were bad. Hence all the recorded shock awe and tears as MSM pundits reporters and Clinton supporters watched as votes were actually counted.

Perhaps this is the kind of polling data you and Trump would both like:

“For a president with historically low poll numbers, Donald Trump can at least find solace in this: Hillary Clinton is doing worse.
Trump’s 2016 Democratic rival is viewed favorably by just 39 percent of Americans in the latest Bloomberg National Poll, two points lower than the president. It’s the second-lowest score for Clinton since the poll started tracking her in September 2009.”
BLOOMBERG, Finally, a Poll Trump Will Like: Clinton Is Even More Unpopular, By John McCormick, July 18, 2017.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...l-trump-will-like-clinton-even-more-unpopular

Or do think Bloomberg is undercounting support for Clinton?

 

As Penn pointed out the DP and the Clintons relied on inaccurate polling. Penn thinks it would be a good idea to find out why the polls they rely on keep getting it wrong.

I, prefer your recommendation to Penn's. Democrats should just keep believing the polls.
It will serve them right.

 

I'm not a Democrat, and do not like Hillary. That red-herring won't work on me.

But I'm glad you're not denying Trump's historically low approval ratings. The national polls which show this were quite accurate for the 2016 election.

No objective fact based rebuttal has been presented.

 

I am not Democrat, and I'm not using the polls that were wrong.

I'm using the accurate national polls, so Penn's recommendations do not apply to me. These also now show low approvals.

Please stop going off-topic and tell me how the ABC/WAPO, IBD, and Gallup poll's are wrong for Trump's approval with actual data.

 

yeah right

 

I believe you are a Republican. Trump surprised 17 Republicans to win the nomination.
The polling numbers were clearly wrong or Trump would have never even been nominated.

Trump's support will never be accurately measured by polling. His supporters do not respond to pollsters.

“We projected Clinton to lose Ohio by 200,000 votes,” said Hagner, “and she lost by 450,000.”
Democrats’ polling problems might not only be voters hiding their intentions from pollsters — some voters may have been hiding altogether.

That bias against responding covers a number of different elements, including geography. One top Democratic strategist who requested anonymity to discuss candidly what went wrong with the 2016 polls pointed to difficulty in reaching voters in more rural districts because of spotty cellphone service.

The same strategist added that many of these voters also may choose not to participate in polls “because they don’t like the establishment and they don’t want to take a survey.”
POLITICO, Democrats burned by polling blind spot, By STEVEN SHEPARD 03/27/17.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/democrats-trump-polling-236560

"One top Democratic strategist who requested anonymity" Why would this top strategist want to remain anonymous?

 

And enjoying every minute of it.

You?

 

Which part? That the russkies are exporting hi tech into United States, or the Americans riding public transportation with Russian-made contactless hi tech tickets? which part is "yeah right!" ?

 

1. I'm independent.

2. The poll's I'm specifically using were highly accurate to Trump's support. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...presidential-election/?utm_term=.83b450f1d320

The quotes you are giving me do not apply to the pollsters I'm using. Factually.

3. You have not provided counter-data to the ABC, IBD, and Gallup approval polls.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/months-record-low-trump-troubles-russia-health-care/story?id=48639490
http://www.investors.com/politics/ibdtipp-poll-presidential-approval-direction-of-country/
http://www.gallup.com/poll/214322/trump-sets-new-low-second-quarter-job-approval.aspx



Feel free to link direct data on how these polls are incorrect.

 

Then all the Republicans and Democrats who were left shocked and in tears when Trump won really needed you during the campaign tell them what was about to happen.

Share you data and insights with the DCCC they are worrying over nothing,

“Democrats aren’t ready to prescribe remedies yet, but officials at the national party committees are sending strong signals that they plan to hold pollsters to a higher standard in the upcoming midterm elections. Rep. Ben Ray Luján of New Mexico, who is chairing the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee for the second consecutive election cycle, ruffled feathers last month when he suggested that “unreliable pollsters will not be invited back to the DCCC.”

A committee spokeswoman, Meredith Kelly, clarified last month that pollsters’ reliability isn’t just going to be determined by their 2016 results, but also by their willingness to participate in a DCCC-driven effort to test various polling methods.

“It’s more about unreliable data combined with an unwillingness to do better and to learn from that,” said Kelly, the DCCC’s communications director. “That’s when we’ll stop working with people.”
POLITICO, Democrats burned by polling blind spot, By STEVEN SHEPARD 03/27/17.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/democrats-trump-polling-236560

 

I did, I gave a link objectively showing many national polls were on the money. Confirmed facts. And among the most accurate of those polls now show Trump with extremely low approval rating. There has been no data countering to what I just stated. My bases are firmly covered, and I expect no one to give any real refutation.


But to answer the off-topic quotes you keep using (which in no way have even begun to refute my data), the DCCC also used state and county polls, which for several reasons you've listed were erroneous. I'm well aware of the mistakes the DNC/DCCC made. However, I'm not discussing or using those.

Not a single data point in my last post was wrong.

 

How many of you whining about Trump's speech actually listened to it?
He gave the boys some great advice and encouragement.
Funny how that gets overlooked.

Or maybe you don't like that he told them to work hard, never give up, and they can be successful in anything they want. They will become leaders. Take care of those in your life. That's just a few of the things that greatly outnumbered any 'political' talk.

I forget some libs are offended by encouraging hard work and personal responsibility.

 

I didn't set the bay; Hillary did.