Trump's staff coordinated with the Russians during the election

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    The Republicans keep saying there is no evidence the Russian hacking influenced the election. They say they are not aware of anyone changing their vote because of the leaks. How ridiculous is that, and who said anything about changing votes? The issue is influencing the vote, not changing it.

    The Wikileaks campaign began in July. For four straight months, every single day, and right up to election day the voting public was bombarded by anti-Clinton disclosures, many quite damaging. Trump, himself, even encouraged the Russians. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

    It is inconceivable that all this did not have an effect on the election.

    As organized as Trump claims he is, it is perfectly conceivable that the Russian hacking campaign was in coordination with the Trump election committee.

    All this brings up some important facts. Sessions himself admitted that the only time he has met with Kislyak was during the election season, never before July. Of the 26 members of the 2016 Armed Services Committee who met with Russian envoy Kislyak in 2016, Sessions was the only one.

    Two more members of the Trump campaign’s national security officials also spoke with Kislyak in July, J.D. Gordon and Carter Page. Paul Manafort, the former Donald Trump campaign manager resigned over his lobbying work in Ukraine for the pro-Russian government. Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner met with Russia's ambassador to the U.S. in December.

    Throughout the election campaign and beyond, Trump has lavished praises on the Russian leader. "If he says great things about me, I'm going to say great things about him." "I've already said he is very much of a leader. The man has very strong control over his country."

    On the very same day that Sessions met with Kislyak, Sept. 8th, Trump appeared on the Russian propaganda network, RT.

    During the four-month period in which Russia was actively interfering in our election for Trump's benefit, according to our 17 intelligence agencies, are we to believe this interaction between Trump's staff and Trump himself was innocent talk about future relationships? That is a bit too much. to swallow.

    Why can't the so-called liberal media make all this more clear to the general public? Why is the media so subservient to the Trump talking points?
     
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    Um. The US government can't crack the IPhone.
    Technology has won and politicians cannot compete with it. At all.
    Russia has oil. Of course we'll be there.
     
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    What proof of collusion are you hiding?
     
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    Okay. There is more on this.

    That is exactly my point. If there is nothing to hide, what are they hiding?

    One thing Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell keep saying over and over again is that there is no evidence. Ryan, "We have seen no evidence from any of these ongoing investigations that anybody in the Trump campaign or the Trump team was involved in any of this."

    Well, that is true, but why is it true? The FBI has not disclosed anything regarding their investigation into this matter. The Senate and House investigating committees have not disclosed anything with regard to this matter. Nunes has said there is no evidence that Trump campaign staff discussed the election with the Russians, disregarding the rather important fact that his investigating committee is tasked with finding that evidence if it exists. It is like a cop saying there is no evidence before he investigates to see if there is evidence. Kinda dumb, huh?

    Obviously, we know the Republican-led investigating committees are politicized. Now we know, as a result of Loretta Lynch's indiscretions, that the justice department which runs the FBI is politicized, and it can be argued that Director James Comey had a direct hand in Trump's election.

    That is where the evidence is and the Republican committees and FBI are not forthcoming. So much for lack of evidence. The evidence is controlled by Trump's political party. How convenient. A self-fulfilling prophecy.
     
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    Me? I'm not hiding anything. I'm just a good listener and, if I may say so, a fair researcher with a long memory. Plus I am a news junkie. That is a dangerous combination.
     
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    I've been having an upset stomach as of recently; Russia may be behind it.

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    The items highlighted in red has already been proven to be false.

    The items highlighted in black is not a substitution for intellect.
     
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    If only hillary and the democrats could have kept from being hacked, then maybe... maybe...

    So long as Hillary lost, I'm not seeing the problem.
     
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    Yes. You might want to be careful. Wouldn't want you to be accused of fake news.
     
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    APPARENTLY, EVERYONE IN DC MET WITH HIM AND NO ONE REMEMBERS IT:

    Politico: Photo contradicts Pelosi’s statement about not meeting Russian Ambassador Kislyak.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/nancy-pelosi-sergey-kislyak-meeting-235653
     
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    I think the whole conspiracy theory is so incredibly outrageous, it makes me feel a twinge of disappointment that anyone could believe it.
    American hack geeks can crack anything.
    The FBI tried to strongarm Apple into giving government backdoor access to Apple's customers using terrorism as the necessary invasion of privacy. Apple told them to F off then won in court. Our technology and service providers cannot compromise users privacy.
    Politicians do not want to mess with US communications, technology, and privacy. They are absolutely no match. They would be publicly crucified by a paid hack that could easily ruin them politically, legally, financially, and personally.
    Poliyics vs. technology/communication would be a metaphorical blood bath.
    The theory is like SNL skit worthy. But a few membrrs of The Geeksquad could publish it if it were true for next to no expense.
     
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    Why are Donnie's people so evasive? They're guilty as any three hyenas. And truthless.
     
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    Better watch out Sandy Sharks, or Prez Trump will ask his buddy Putin to use his super-secret satelite death ray to track you down and burn you to a crisp.

    In other Soviet Domination end-of-the-world News:

    [video]https://youtu.be/shhGTjt1QFE[/video]

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/nancy-pelosi-sergey-kislyak-meeting-235653

    Silly Lying Pelosi... Even Sillier Lefties!

    Don't you know? Russia is just for Trumpsters!

    Now go to the back of the line a beg for a turn.


    If you're really good and quiet while the Adults solve world problems, we might let you have a scoop of Ice Cream before nightie-night.

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    Nothing of substance, could not deal with the details, offered no defense of your principles, and offered only personal insults. In other words, a typical Trump fan.
     
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    I doesn't bother you that there is a strong possibility that Putin got his man for the White House? All the available evidence points to that, evidence you didn't refute.
     
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    I carefully research what I want to say. For example, in this case, no one has refuted the evidence I have presented, including yourself.
     
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    What principles? You made a claim about yourself. Based on my interactions with your post, I disagree with your assessment.

    Of course, my assessment is just my opinion, but I think anyone who reads carefully has noticed this by now.

    I never took you for a Trump fan.
     
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    Uhh. Before you crawl too far out on this limb? Obama Officials Set Up Jeff Sessions’ Meeting With the Russian Ambassador.

    This like a bad rerun of HBO's Homeland series.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/0...sessions-meeting-with-the-russian-ambassador/
     
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    There is another problem with Sessions in his press conference yesterday. He said "I don't recall" or "I have no recollection" several times. That, alone, is strong indicator of guilt.

    By his own account, Sessions was accompanied by three staffers at the meeting, so at least four people knew about it. Why then, if it was an inadvertent slip, did it take Sessions seven weeks from the time he originally testified that he had no Russia communications to correct the record?

    Even though Justice Department officials originally claimed that Sessions didn't have "a strong recollection" of the meeting, at Thursday’s press conference he was suddenly full of amusing details about discussing a "church group" and terrorism and a "testy" exchange regarding Ukraine. But when it came to any mention of the campaign, Sessions offered only: "I don't recall." So Sessions apparently recovered more than just the scant details of that conversation, but somehow anything relating to campaign talk still escapes him. Hmm. Maybe he should ask those three staffers.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/...-swirling-around-Jeff-I-don-t-recall-Sessions
     
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    Daily Kos? Bahahaha!

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    You're 'evidence' is nothing more than blind accusations without a shred of proof. Here I thought you weren't into fake news.
     
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    Four of the top stories on CNN's website right now ...

    And Sandy, your title makes an unsupported statement. This may be your belief. This may be your suspicion. But that's it.

    In the end, the American people made their choice. Personally, I don't believe the difference was Benghazi, Hillary's private server and emails, the FBI, the Russians, or Wikileaks. The election was decided by the Rust Belt, and their issue was jobs. Hillary and the Democrats failed to win their confidence on that issue, and that was the deciding factor.

    In California where you live, nobody cares about the Rust Belt. Come on, let's be honest. California liberals don't care about the American Rust Belt. They are living out there in their wealthy, elitist bubble, and it teaches that the world revolves around them and them only. I think this is why the election is so hard for Californian liberals to accept. They want to believe it was the Russians or the FBI or Assange or the Republicans talking about Hillary's server or Benghazi - anything but what it was.

    It was Democrats, Sandy. Yeah, Democrats. Democrats who don't have your precious university degrees, a gated community to live in, and a couple of Beamers in the driveway. Traditional Democrats who just want a chance to go to work and make a modest living. Your party wasn't their party this time, Sandy.

    And since the world only revolves around you Californians, in your fury like a spoiled child who didn't get what he wanted for Christmas, you guys resort to tantrums and blaming and hating.

    And that's what all this Russia crap is all about. Period. End of story.
     
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    Not in the least. Why would that bother me?
     
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    How did the Russians get the Pennsylvania Mennonites to vote for Trump, did they promise them new buggies, or were they fed up with Obama's derogatory remarks about Pennsylvanians "clinging to their bibles, they get bitter, they cling to religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them as a way to explain their frustrations."

    Followed that up with Hillary describing "Undesirables" in the Hitlerian terms of "deplorable" and "Irredeemable" and clearly the entire Left viewed much of the country as fit only for the fires of Left-wing Re-education camps. Subhuman refuse to be reclaimed where possible and destroyed where they proved to be restive.

    She's stupid, her campaign was stupid, the press is stupid and you guys threw away a winnable election, by acting stupid and saying stupid things. Now, incapable of being honest enough to admit it and learn, you instead want to tie the Russians! to the whipping post and lash them for your own disdainful provincial ignorance. The electorate rejected you, because YOU DESERVED to be rejected, but be my guest, remain blind, and blame others for your own failings.

    Hilarious!
     
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    Pelosi didn't recall meeting with - actually sitting down to a meal with -- the Russian ambassador. McCaskill didn't remember her meeting with the Russian ambassador. Schumer hangs out with Putin and there are many photos to prove it. So what's your point.

    Anyone who stayed quiet and/or defended Hillary through this campaign year has nothing to say that has any credit. There is simply no respect for your words.
     
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    Yep, it is a grand conspiracy right out of a 007 Ian Fleming novel. The Trump/Putin operation was run to beat Hillary, so trump could win and get rid of NATO, pull back all of our troops and turn Russia loose to conquer all of Europe. Then Trump would rule the US and Putin, Europe, and they both would become the richest men in all of the earth.

    Why is there a media blackout in regards to the UK Ambassador, Craig Murray? Riddle me that. Could it be because one news outlet broke the story, that he knew the DC leaker, and it was an American not Russian who was the source of the leaks? But the official story was Russia hacked and they were the source of the leaks. It is still the only story, because MSM will not allow Murray to tell America and the world the TRUTH. For if Russia was not the source for wilkileaks, and a DC insiders was, what does this do with the hysteria over Russia involving itself in our elections? What does it do to the meme that the trump campaign conspired with the evil Russians?

    Until this Murray issue is resolved, only a complete and utter idiot would believe any of what is being pushed by MSM and the deep state. What in the hell has happened to the American mind? How can these minds be fooled so easily, and never critically question things like Murray and the blackout. For you better believe this has great relevance. And yet it is just ignored, if people are even aware of what happened to Murray. If your news is from MSM or FOX, you would know nothing of what ambassador murray claimed.
     
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