Trump's tariffs are hurting GOP election chances this fall

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  1. Mac-7

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    You voted for a loser no one ever heard of

    The choice was only trump or hillary
     
  2. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    The real choice was the conservative, and you went with one of the two worst choices in the last 100 years. Shame on you.
     
  3. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    This is goofy, "The story will only end when our elections can be monitored", because they are monitored by reps of the major parties. What a stupid, goofy post that is. Does the goofball think our elections are not monitored?
     
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    No

    It was trump or hillary

    And you decided to sit on the fence
     
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    So the Carter Center who monitors elections and have for years are goofballs? You sir are the certified goofball here. For the carter center actually has a clue while you sir are a clueless partisan.

    So if you wanted a police dept investigated, of course you would allow that dept to investigate itself? lol

    Or better, if there was a gov't about to hold an election, you would allow that gov't to monitor its own elections? Or if you really wanted an honest monitoring, would you have an outside source, like the carter center to do it?

    You really should think before you knee jerk.
     
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  6. JakeStarkey

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    Casting a vote of conscience is never fence sitting, though a fool may think so.
     
  7. JakeStarkey

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    One Mind foolishly tries to blame me for what he is doing. Read it carefully. :)

    JakeStarkey: Only you say "illegals can vote," One Mind, and that is a lie. If the tariffs go into full effect, the upper MW gets hurt. End of story.
    JakeStarkey said: This is goofy, "The story will only end when our elections can be monitored", because they are monitored by reps of the major parties. What a stupid, goofy post that is. Does the goofball think our elections are not monitored?
    One Mind is saying that our elections need to be monitored, and now he says the Carter Center should do it (although he offers absolutely no objective factual evidence), and then tries to spin his goofiness onto me.

    Fact: One Mind has no proof the elections are not monitored as he initially said above.

    Fact: Then he says they are monitored.

    Fact: The elections are monitored at the local level.

    Question: With the GOP in charge of the WH, the Congress, SCOTUS, and most of the states, what are you worried about, One Mind? Is it a legitimate blue wave that will wash away the Filthy Donald and his supporters into the political gutter? If so, you should be.
     
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    Look, I was simply using what the carter center said about insuring our elections are honest. In order to insure that, they must be monitored in the manner that they monitor foreign elections. I don't know why you are having a problem with this, unless the front part of your brain is on vacation. What I said is clear, and obvious. Again, the CC said our elections are not set up to be monitored. If you cannot understand that, then I cannot do a thing to help your cognition. It is up to you. But from what you have posted, clearly you are incapable of this and I will no longer indulge such a brain. I am just wasting time in doing so.
     
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  9. JakeStarkey

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    You have offered nothing why the Carter Center should monitor US elections.

    The GOP controls the WH, Congress, SCOTUS, and most of the states.

    Where is the need?

    That One Mind cannot argue clearly and cogently his points remains his problem.
     
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    Care to bet your membership on it with me?

    No, watch, forget that.
     
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    How is screwing soybeans farmers the "right thing? " How is screwing any Americans for no reason the "right thing" ? Is Trump the new arbiter of our morals now with no rhyme or reason, what? When I call him the God-Emperor I'm KIDDING, you people DO seem to think he's this infallible figure
     
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    You aren't going to have the EC to give you a win even though you really lost this time.
     
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    Please link us to your info which says the China is capitulating cause I've not heard any. My belief it that Chinese will not capitulate since they understand basic 20th century economics and realize that tariffs will hurt us more than them.
     
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    As always, it depends on who or what the Democratic Party runs against him on Election Day. If they put forward a solid candidate who supports global trade while also putting forth solutions to wealth misallocation within the country, perhaps we can convince people that Trump’s approach is wrong.

    However, if they run a populist anti-trade left winger, or a centrist who supports trade without addressing wealth distribution, it may be difficult to mount a strong argument against these tariffs.
     
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    Please do some homework.
     
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    Yes it is

    Sitting on the fence accomplishes nothing except allow you to practive the fence supitters favorite passtime

    Which is complaining about what others are doing
     
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    No one is screwing soybean farmers most of whom run million dollar operations

    The world needs food and if china wants to go hungry other countries dont
     
  18. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    A 25% tariff is all the profit in soybeans. Taking all my profit is certainly screwing AFAIK but then again I didn't realize that all soy farmers were rich millionaires who can easily afford to lose all their profits

    Other countries grow soybeans too and they'll sell them to the Chinese while ours rot in the field
     
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    china s using mercantilism to dominate America

    A communist dictatorship can tell its people what to buy and a democracy has ro answer to the public

    That gives them a big advantage

    But as china grows in power the abuse of America will grow with it

    China has a long term strategy that the swamp rats in washington lack
     
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    Casting an honest, moral vote is never fence sitting.
     
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    Of course it is fence sitting when you vote go to some bozo with no chace of winning

    Your choice was between trump or hillary and you could not make up your mind
     
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    Of course it is not fence sitting to vote morally.

    You voted for one of the two most awful candidates in 100 years simply for power not for the country.
     
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    Where does wealth come from and what is the process by which it is misallocated ??
     
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    China is a dictatorship but hasn't been communist for a long time. China's long term policy is to stay within bounds dictated by the laws of economics and that precludes the use of all but defensive tariffs and mostly even them. Mercantilism, an outmoded remnant of the 18th and 19th centuries has protective tariffs as a defining feature so it would seem we are the ones using mercantile tactics. Tariffs have very limited use. They are generally bad economics and have been observed to hurt the initiating nation far more than any other. For that reason they have not been widely used for many years . Trump is attempting to protect his snowflake business cronies at our expense and that will both cost us money now and do permanent damage to our economy later.
     

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