Tucker Carlson: What the fight for slavery reparations tells us about today's Democratic Party

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    They are hand outs when the majority choose not to improve there life.
     
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    Awe, that is so sweet.
    Taking other peoples stuff is just a "hand up".

    You gonna come cut my lawn as a show of gratitude?
     
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    “Reparations” is silly and won’t happen. But it does allow liberals to extend the conversation about slavery, hoping it will result in white guilt and more generous government programs (freebies).
     
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    Tell me how a black teenager living in poverty with a sub-par education can improve their life with a job at McDonald's or Walmart? Tell me how a single mother with two children can afford an apartment in the Bronx for $1800 a month improve her life? Tell me how a mother in that situation can afford to feed her kids, pay her rent, buy them clothes, pay her gas and electric bill on $12 an hour?

    If you can figure that out then you're brilliant and should be president. You'd end poverty tomorrow.
     
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    1. Stop giving hand outs to illegals
    2. Stop giving hand outs to the disabled that are milking the system.
    3. Stop giving hand outs to people who refuse to work.
    4. Stop giving hand outs to people that can not pass a drug test.
    5. Give incentives to people to use birth control.
    6. Anyone accused of rape gets there dick cut off.
    7. If you cant afford a child keep your legs closed.
    8. Give the money saved to the people that need it, like you mentioned.
    Sounds easy doesn't it? Unfortunately the democrats will not allow this as they will lose a large majority of there voting base.
    Alright I'm ready to be president. That brand new 747 with the Trump paint scheme is awaiting me.
     
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    You just gave me your laundry list of your objections but you didn't answer my question. That's because you don't have an answer. You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
     
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    Stop posting your, hallucinations, and try addressing what I actually said here. Instead of making up nonsense which is not in any of my remarks.


    And I think you are in a, panic, because you think our White Privilege is being intruded upon.


    This sentence here wins my vote, so far, for 2019's Fatuity Of The Year.
     
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    Thanks for proving that @HumbledPi is 100%, correct, that you are in fact part of the problem.
     
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    These are not objections, this is what I would do to help people in need. What do you take issue with?
     
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    What is the logic behind your comment?
     
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    The logic?

    The logic is that I, bet, you have no posts anywhere online, whatsoever, where you have deemed it "hand outs" when FDR gave to White America, The New Deal, featuring plentiful welfare and public assistance which eventually created what we know of today as White Middle Class America.

    Yes. Millions of Blacks & HISP & Jews & Asians had jobs, back then, who paid the tax bill for The New Deal which exclusively catapulted us White-European citizens into the middle class, therefore...

    If you were okay with 'that' paramount welfare and public assistance, from 1933-1936, well it is only fair that you be okay with it now that it is non-Whites turn to suck up that welfare money.
     
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    Why did you automatically assume I was taking a racist point of view? HumbledPi asked what I would do to fix poverty. It had nothing to do with race of any sort.
     
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    So in other words, "**** everyone else, I have mine" and just let millions of American citizens die on the street. That's what you want, really?
     
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    No assumptions.

    90% of the elements you focused on, are (-) stereotypes that are synonymous with Black citizens.

    I bet that that was strategically intentional.
     
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    What form would reparations take? How much would it cost? How would it be used?
    I'm part (a very small part) Choctaw Indian. All of my ancestors' tribal lands in Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia were taken away, and the Choctaws put on the 'trail of tears' to Oklahoma.
    How much will I get?
     
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    C'mon now that's not what I said now is it? Do you have any common sense at all? Let me tell you a story. My brother in law hurt his back when he was a teenager lifting a box off a shelf when he worked at McDonalds. Oh and before somebody plays the race card on me he is white. He was off work for about two years with legit back issues. This was 15 years ago. Fast forward to present day. He is still collecting a disability check each month. He works two jobs, both for cash (no taxes). He does mechanic work and hauls scrap metal to the scrap yard. Each job requires heavy lifting. He rides dirt bikes in the summer and snowmobiles in the winter. You know what he spends his government check on? Yup drugs. He has a wife and four daughters. His wife works at Arby's to support him and the family. All his money goes to drugs, pick ups, dirt bikes, snowmobiles, and 4 wheelers. We have tried to put him into a rehab program multiple times but he refuses. We have even offered to pay for it. We take the daughters a few weeks a year just so they can see what a normal life is like and to give them some positive support. We drive 12 hours one way to do this about 3-4 times a year. We give my wife's sister money to help give her daughters a good life. We have a savings account that we put money into to help pay for there education. So please do not lecture me on giving a **** and letting people die on the street. This guy is a total drain on society, his family, my family, and the government. He does absolutely nothing to help his situation. He is fully capable of working a real job and supporting his family. So do you really think people like this deserve a government check?? The money being wasted on this piece of trash is doing nothing but creating problems for his family and supporting his drug habit's. You think he deserves it more then the poor uneducated black boy working at McDonalds? Or the single mother with 2 kids barely scraping by?
     
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    Every element I am focused on has nothing to do with race. I live in Wyoming for gods sake. I see a person of color maybe once a month. Every black person I know (the very few) work hard and lead excellent lives. Every person I see taking advantage of government programs is white in my area. I strongly suggest not playing the race card with me. Typical liberal thinking. He's a trump supporter, he's got to be a racist! Quit assuming and putting words into peoples mouths. Maybe take a look in the mirror. Maybe you are the problem!
     
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    :)
     
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    :)

    I think I know juuuuust the citizen who can, escort, you back here to reality with the rest of us.

    Enjoy!




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    by Robert Jensen

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    Here's what white privilege sounds like:

    I am sitting in my University of Texas office, talking to a very bright and very conservative white student about affirmative action in college admissions, which he opposes and I support.

    The student says he wants a level playing field with no unearned advantages for anyone. I ask him whether he thinks that in the United States being white has advantages. Have either of us, I ask, ever benefited from being white in a world run mostly by white people? Yes, he concedes, there is something real and tangible we could call white privilege.

    So, if we live in a world of white privilege--unearned white privilege--how does that affect your notion of a level playing field? I ask.

    He paused for a moment and said, "That really doesn't matter."

    That statement, I suggested to him, reveals the ultimate white privilege: the privilege to acknowledge you have unearned privilege but ignore what it means.

    That exchange led me to rethink the way I talk about race and racism with students. It drove home to me the importance of confronting the dirty secret that we white people carry around with us everyday: In a world of white privilege, some of what we have is unearned. I think much of both the fear and anger that comes up around discussions of affirmative action has its roots in that secret. So these days, my goal is to talk openly and honestly about white supremacy and white privilege.

    White privilege, like any social phenomenon, is complex. In a white supremacist culture, all white people have privilege, whether or not they are overtly racist themselves. There are general patterns, but such privilege plays out differently depending on context and other aspects of one's identity (in my case, being male gives me other kinds of privilege). Rather than try to tell others how white privilege has played out in their lives, I talk about how it has affected me.

    I am as white as white gets in this country. I am of northern European heritage and I was raised in North Dakota, one of the whitest states in the country. I grew up in a virtually all-white world surrounded by racism, both personal and institutional. Because I didn't live near a reservation, I didn't even have exposure to the state's only numerically significant non-white population, American Indians.

    I have struggled to resist that racist training and the ongoing racism of my culture. I like to think I have changed, even though I routinely trip over the lingering effects of that internalized racism and the institutional racism around me. But no matter how much I "fix" myself, one thing never changes--I walk through the world with white privilege.

    What does that mean? Perhaps most importantly, when I seek admission to a university, apply for a job, or hunt for an apartment, I don't look threatening. Almost all of the people evaluating me for those things look like me--they are white. They see in me a reflection of themselves, and in a racist world that is an advantage. I smile. I am white. I am one of them. I am not dangerous. Even when I voice critical opinions, I am cut some slack. After all, I'm white.

    My flaws also are more easily forgiven because I am white. Some complain that affirmative action has meant the university is saddled with mediocre minority professors. I have no doubt there are minority faculty who are mediocre, though I don't know very many. As Henry Louis Gates Jr. once pointed out, if affirmative action policies were in place for the next hundred years, it's possible that at the end of that time the university could have as many mediocre minority professors as it has mediocre white professors. That isn't meant as an insult to anyone, but is a simple observation that white privilege has meant that scores of second-rate white professors have slid through the system because their flaws were overlooked out of solidarity based on race, as well as on gender, class and ideology.

    Some people resist the assertions that the United States is still a bitterly racist society and that the racism has real effects on real people. But white folks have long cut other white folks a break. I know, because I am one of them.

    I am not a genius--as I like to say, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I have been teaching full-time for six years, and I've published a reasonable amount of scholarship. Some of it is the unexceptional stuff one churns out to get tenure, and some of it, I would argue, actually is worth reading. I work hard, and I like to think that I'm a fairly decent teacher. Every once in awhile, I leave my office at the end of the day feeling like I really accomplished something. When I cash my paycheck, I don't feel guilty.

    But, all that said, I know I did not get where I am by merit alone. I benefited from, among other things, white privilege. That doesn't mean that I don't deserve my job, or that if I weren't white I would never have gotten the job. It means simply that all through my life, I have soaked up benefits for being white. I grew up in fertile farm country taken by force from non-white indigenous people. I was educated in a well-funded, virtually all-white public school system in which I learned that white people like me made this country great. [hi, @mpw8679!!] There I also was taught a variety of skills, including how to take standardized tests written by and for white people.

    All my life I have been hired for jobs by white people. I was accepted for graduate school by white people. And I was hired for a teaching position at the predominantly white University of Texas, which had a white president, in a college headed by a white dean and in a department with a white chairman that at the time had one non-white tenured professor.

    There certainly is individual variation in experience. Some white people have had it easier than me, probably because they came from wealthy families that gave them even more privilege. Some white people have had it tougher than me because they came from poorer families. White women face discrimination I will never know. But, in the end, white people all have drawn on white privilege somewhere in their lives.


    Like anyone, I have overcome certain hardships in my life. I have worked hard to get where I am, and I work hard to stay there. But to feel good about myself and my work, I do not have to believe that "merit," as defined by white people in a white country, alone got me here. I can acknowledge that in addition to all that hard work, I got a significant boost from white privilege, which continues to protect me every day of my life from certain hardships.

    At one time in my life, I would not have been able to say that, because I needed to believe that my success in life was due solely to my individual talent and effort. I saw myself as the heroic American, the rugged individualist. I was so deeply seduced by the culture's mythology that I couldn't see the fear that was binding me to those myths. Like all white Americans, I was living with the fear that maybe I didn't really deserve my success, that maybe luck and privilege had more to do with it than brains and hard work. I was afraid I wasn't heroic or rugged, that I wasn't special.

    I let go of some of that fear when I realized that, indeed, I wasn't special, but that I was still me. What I do well, I still can take pride in, even when I know that the rules under which I work in are stacked in my benefit. I believe that until we let go of the fiction that people have complete control over their fate--that we can will ourselves to be anything we choose--then we will live with that fear. Yes, we should all dream big and pursue our dreams and not let anyone or anything stop us. But we all are the product both of what we will ourselves to be and what the society in which we live lets us be.

    White privilege is not something I get to decide whether or not I want to keep. Every time I walk into a store at the same time as a black man and the security guard follows him and leaves me alone to shop, I am benefiting from white privilege. There is not space here to list all the ways in which white privilege plays out in our daily lives, but it is clear that I will carry this privilege with me until the day white supremacy is erased from this society.

    Frankly, I don't think I will live to see that day; I am realistic about the scope of the task. However, I continue to have hope, to believe in the creative power of human beings to engage the world honestly and act morally. A first step for white people, I think, is to not be afraid to admit that we have benefited from white privilege. It doesn't mean we are frauds who have no claim to our success. It means we face a choice about what we do with our success.
     
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    No, I absolutely do NOT think that your worthless brother in law deserves a penny of my tax dollars. My point IS..... there are millions of people that aren't drug addicts, that aren't working under the table while taking government handouts like him. There are literally millions of people that don't have his baggage that NEED their government's help. NO MATTER WHAT COLOR THEY ARE!
     
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    Ok I guess I don’t know what the disagreement is here. This is what I have been trying to say the whole time!
     
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    I stopped reading once I read white privilege. I am not going going to have this discussion with you if you are going to keep bringing race into it. Like most liberals your assumptions of the outside world outside of your fantasy land are completely false.
     
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    Good ole Fred said the unsayble about 'white privilege' ... what everyone knows is true. (He's well worth reading on everything, in fact. Whether you're on the Right or the Left, at least half of his columns will make your hair curl. Which is a good thing.)
     
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    Ok I read it. There is some good points. However I was taught in our all white schools that everyone is equal regardless of color. I was taught that the white race had some very dark moments in the past, about the end of slavery, the Native American's and what they had to endure, racial segregation, famous African American's in history, and the list goes on. I was NOT taught that white people were solely responsible for making this country great. I was taught about the shortcomings and mistakes they made.
     
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    I DO NOT owe you any money.
    I came here (actually, was invited by US corporation with assistance of US government) and I did not enslave anyone.
    If you want to start new Civil war, go ahead, I will respond appropriately.
     
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