Tucker Carlson: What the fight for slavery reparations tells us about today's Democratic Party

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  1. kreo

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    So if someone tells you the truth you really think it is Russian agent?
    So, do you think Obama, who was promoting racial tensions is a Russian agent?
     
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    Come on man. Don't you think it is stupid to fight against whites?
    Do you realize that you are not going to get anything from that war?
    The result will be the same as an Affirmative Action program where all the privileges went to white people (white women in particularly). I.e. on average, whites have gotten more and pushed blacks further down.
     
  3. Doug1943

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    I assume the first question is rhetorical, but I'll answer it. No, I do not think that someone who tells truth is Russian agent. Is maybe agent telling truth. Is maybe non-agent telling truth. Must decide on merits of question. Agents can tell truths. In fact, is best weapon, truth, used in right places, out of context.
    Вы понимаете?

    On the second question, I don't think Obama promoted racial tensions. I think he was pretty reasonable, . I often quote from him on things like 'acting white'.

    And I suspect most of the people trying to whip up racial divisiveness are not agents of anyone. Ideology, once it gets you in its grips, can make even intelligent, decent people do very stupid things. A significant part of the Western intelligentsia spent several decades explaining why the Soviet Union was the most advanced democracy in the world. They weren't paid a kopeck. (Anyone interested in this fascinating question needs to read the books of Paul Hollander, especially this one, whose publisher's blurb I'll quote from here:

    No one today would hold up Russia as some sort of model for others to follow, with perhaps the exception of some really benighted cultural conservatives who like its restoration of religion, robust attitude toward Islamists, and its repression of homosexuals. And the successors of the KGB don't go in for namby-pamby peace-mongering. They just want to lob a few molotov cocktails into the volatile American polity.
     
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    If there is a civil war in the United States, they're going to need a lot of health care. Remember that these are people who hate guns and despise policemen and don't do military service.
    A Left/Right civil war in the US would be huge tragedy, but there would be one comic aspect, watching the snowflakes finding themselves alone among their non-white allies.
     
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    Russia today is a helluva lot more sane than every country in Western Europe...

    You can talk **** all you want about Russia, but after living my entire life listening to the constant **** talking, I decided to go first hand. And much to my surprise it's very very capitalist now and very similar to the U.S., with some notable exceptions.

    I compare Russia today to the U.S. in the early 80's......a time before all this PC garbage came along. In that aspect, they beat the pants off us. If they ever go the way of participation trophies and elevating homosexuals to protected-class status, then they'll be just as screwed up as us. The liberals haven't ruined it just yet over there.

    So SVR agents are sitting in basements making facebook posts? Ask them: http://svr.gov.ru/letters/obr.htm :roflol:

    Я понимаю хорошо
     
  6. Doug1943

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    It's not necessary to imitate the liberals of the 1930s, and idealize this country, because of certain aspects of it that you like.

    This isn't the thread to discuss it, but I do not agree at all with the view -- now adopted with questionable sincerity by some on the Left -- that Russia is a dangerous, expansionist, aggressive power. I think the US ought to be able to work out a partnership with Russia. We have many interests in common.

    However, it's far from being based on the rule of law -- those 'notable exceptions' you mention. It's got a long way to go before we can class it among the Western democracies. On the other hand, it's not a totalitarian system as it was when it was the Soviet Union. There is dissent, there are newspapers which are not beholden to the government, people are not afraid to come out and complain when things go wrong there.

    And the Russians have absolutely justified greivances against the United States. We screwed up the post-Communist period royally. But all this should be discussed in a separate thread.
     
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    Democrats dont wanna blame DACA kids for the actions of their parents, but theyre all for blaming white people the actions of their parents....

    These Democrats are racist, plain and simple.
     
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    Except... not true.

    Three of your examples are total lies. I must suspect that the rest of them are, too.
     
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    Who in the HELL ever mentioned a single word about a 'civil war'? Absolutely NOT me I can tell you that. The only people I've heard mention 'grabbing their guys and locked and loaded' are BUBBA MAGA cap-wearing Republicans. They're itching to 'shoot me some libruls'.
     
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    Prove they're lies.
     
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    OK. I'll play your silly-assed game with the Charlottesville riot, even though the lie has been debunked thousands of times.

    "In his widely misquoted press conference three days after Charlottesville, Trump said there were "very fine people" on "both sides" of the issue of whether it is appropriate to display Confederate monuments in pubic locations. Here is what Trump said: "Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group -- excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name." In case there was any doubt, Trump, in response to another question, said, "I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally" (emphasis added)."

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...lency_lie_the_left_keeps_telling_139956.html#!
     
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    HumbledPi: You gave me some reasons for calling Trump a 'racist', and I'd like to reply. I asked you the following things but you probably missed them, so I'll ask them again. The questions are so that I can give you a reasonable response.

    (1) Could you say how you use the word 'racism' and 'racist'.
    (2) Just to clarify, would you call someone a racist who confessed that he was walking down the street one night, and heard footsteps behind him, then turned around ... and was relieved to see that the people behind him were white?
    (3) Would you call someone a racist who asserted that a particular racial group were superior in intelligence to another group, in part for genetic reasons?
    (4) If someone asserted that the average IQ of whites in America was higher than the average IQ of Blacks, would you call that person a racist?
     
  13. HumbledPi

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    Note: THERE WERE NO "VERY FINE" PEOPLE ON EITHER SIDE!

    And by the way, in case you don't understand American history, Robert E. Lee was a traitor to the United States....and a racist.
     
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    1. Racist: a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another. Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

    2. yes
    3. yes
    4. yes
     
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    PROVE that they're lies. I'll wait.
     
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    Like I said, it's a fraudulent claim.
     
  17. Doug1943

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    Okay, thank you.

    2. I asked "would you call someone a racist who confessed that he was walking down the street one night, and heard footsteps behind him, then turned around ... and was relieved to see that the people behind him were white". You said 'yes'.
    That's a quote from Jesse Jackson.
    There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.Source.

    3. I asked "Would you call someone a racist who asserted that a particular racial group were superior in intelligence to another group, in part for genetic reasons?" You said 'yes'.
    That's what Jared Diamond, the celebrated liberal academic, said in his Guns, Germs and Steel. (The publisher's blurb gushes that Diamond's book " chronicles the way that the modern world came to be and stunningly dismantles racially based theories of human history.") Whether it does that or not can be argued, but what can't be argued is that Diamond believes that some racial groups are superior to others in intelligence, and that genes are partly responsible. You'll find the discussion on pages 19-21. He specifically says " in mental ability New Guineans are probably genetically superior to Westerners". He gives the usual Darwinian reasons for their genetic superiority: natural selection. Of course, since few people are actually interested, in a scientific way, in the issue of genetics and intelligence, but only in confirming their political prejudices, this statement was just ignored by almost everyone. Had he switched racial groups ... he would be out of job today.

    4. I asked " If someone asserted that the average IQ of whites in America was higher than the average IQ of Blacks, would you call that person a racist?" You said 'yes'.
    But this is not disputed by any serious person who is familar with the evidence, including liberal academics who vehemently deny that there are genetic basis for it.. What is disputed is the reason for it. Here's Wiki's summary of these well-known facts: "In the United States, individuals identifying themselves as East Asian tend to have higher average IQ scores than do Caucasians, who, in turn, have higher average IQs than African Americans. Nevertheless, greater variation in IQ scores exists within each ethnic group than between them." (The second sentence, for those who know little statistics, is generally true for large samples where the trait being studied is due to many factors: The United States has a higher average income than Guatemala, but the variation in income within both countries is of course very great, from multi-millionaires to paupers. The 'nevertheless' is a consolation-word.)

    I think you should refine your concept of 'racism', or even abandon it in favor of more precise characterizations. I would just point out that almost everywhere, where two tribal groups -- usually based on ethnic origins but sometimes on religion -- live side-by-side in significant numbers, we find hatred and conflict and deeply illiberal attitudes towards the 'other'. I don't know if you call the Sinhalese attitude to Tamils, and vice versa, 'racism', but it surely fits your criteria. Same for Serbs/Croats, Protestants/Catholics in Northern Ireland, Armenians/Azeris, Shias/Sunnis, Greeks/Turks, Hungarians/Czechs, Germans/Poles, Japanese/Koreans, Ndebeles/Mashonas, Zulus/Xhosa, Hutu/Tutsi .... the conflicts among these people make the United States today look like a paradise of toleration. (Well, perhaps not the relationship between Blacks and Latinos in Los Angeles.)

    The Hard Left is working day and night to change this American exceptionalism, and I suppose eventually the US will catch up with the rest of the world.
     
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    I left out a few examples of racist hatreds between ethnic groups in the previous post: Rohyngya Muslims and Buddhists in Burma, the horrific conflict between the Bengalis of what was then East Pakistan, and the non-Bengalis of West Pakistan. We see the growth of Hindu nationalism in India, with mass murders of Muslims and Sikhs occuring there from time to time, while the Hindu government stands aside and lets it happen. Because this sort of thing is minimized in the Western media, anyone wanting a glimpse of ethnic realities in the Third World should have a look at Wikipedia's list of 'Massacres in India', followed by 'Massacres in Africa' (where, however, you'll have to click on 26 different links to examine the unlovely realities of each African country).

    The ethnic conflicts in the United States and in the liberal democracies of Europe since WWII are strictly amateur hour compared to those elsewhere in the world. They barely register on the seismograph of periodic mass killings which is the norm where liberal democracy has not taken hold.

    Most Americans (and Canadians) are almost completely ignorant of on-the-ground realities elsewhere on the planet, especially the realities of life in the Third World. Conservatives tend to be nationally-centred and uninterested in the rest of the world -- and looking too closely at the realities of life in many of America's anti-communist allies [free markets and death squads] during the Cold War would have made them uneasy. Liberals lean toward the white-bad-people-of-color-good-or-just-innocent-victims-of-imperialism view, and, as TS Eliot said of all humankind, "cannot bear too much reality".

    The United States is a paradise of ethnic tolerance.

    For the moment.
     

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