Tucker: Why Didn't we Shut Down Country Over Drug OD's?

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  1. FlamingLib

    FlamingLib Well-Known Member

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    I was waiting for Tucker to bring this up. Sure enough, he did on last night's show. It's an excellent question.

    We lost 70,000+ to drug OD's last year. Why did we turn a blind eye to that? Besides the obvious fact that addiction is not contagious, the answer is obvious: people don't have sympathy for addicts. This country still views addiction as a "moral failing". Americans DO have sympathy for diabetic old grandparents.
     
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    Well obviously because sealing the southern border is aGainst the leftist religion.
     
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    Because someone can't catch a drug overdose and die from it.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause:
     
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    They can damn well die from it.
     
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    You miss my point; if you take drugs and I don't I will not die from it. If you have the virus you can pass it on to me and I may die from it. One involves choice the other does not.
     
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    Yeah, drugs is more of a personal choice thing. Go ahead and be a dummy who takes drugs, why should we stop the world to save you from your own stupidity?

    A pandemic is something that happens to everybody through no fault of their own,(unless they're the despicable leaders of China) and everybody needs to do their part to protect everybody else.

    That's the theory anyway.
     
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    The cartel are killing their customers. And their customers dont mind

    ODs get rid of the idiots.
     
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    Red Herring. Not surprised, a common fallacy seen from LW, and even some others, during this Moral Panic. The topic is plainly people dying that can be prevented from dying by government policy that restricts the general liberty of all citizens, not the exact circumstances of how they die or whom is to blame. As such, car wrecks, alcohol/tobacco use, gay sex, and a host of dangerous legal behaviors are included in things we -could- prohibit or regulate and save lives but do not.

    We live in a quasi free country, though, and before this latest irrational delusion of the effeminate, corrupt, Complex gynostate, deaths of overwhelmingly elderly people who were in poor health anyway, together with a few outliers, would be FAR to the "free" part of the line we have been drawing for decades, nearly a century now.

    But Trump is the POTUS and the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex has just about run out of ways to unseat him, so they have done this Baby with the Bathwater "Hail Mary" by exaggerating a seasonal flu into a panic. Have they gone too far this time? Stay tuned.

    Did they do -nothing- whatsoever like this during the Obama flu from MEXICO while the MEXICAN border remained wide open and illegals were relocated all over the country while American citizens died? OF COURSE THEY DIDN'T. Would have interrupted the regularly scheduled 8 year BLOWJOB of Obama by the Media. Does the average dependent "ward of the state" parasitic Complex denizen has the historical memory of a gnat? Of course, so they are hoping the scorched earth can be contained with their MSM to Trump's disadvantage.

    But for even higher two digit IQ audiences of any political persuasion, the lesson is crystal clear, the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex will mess with your life in any way it sees fit including taking a WRECKING BALL to it in its goal to retain POWER.
     
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    To linear, there are many ways to die from a drug addict.. See Detroit :nod::nod::nod: :thumbsup::rock_slayer:
     
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    People seeing the results of this virus attacking peoples lungs will continue to smoke and vape which is weakening and damaging their lungs, but people will still continue to smoke and vape.There is no reasoning or accounting for personal stupidity, hence those willing to take drugs which they know can kill them.
     
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    There are certainly societal effects from rampant drug use. It's not a contagion, but the downstream effects of mass addiction might as well be. Plenty of people who would never do drugs have been killed/robbed/mugged by addicts. Kids have been orphaned, parents have lost kids, social services has taken kids, etc.

    You can even "catch" addiction. People who hang out long enough with addicts often start down that road. I was one of them.

    What do you think about the sympathy argument? Americans just don't care about junkies. They never have. Tucker is a rarity. Nobody else covers the heroin epidemic.
     
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    no, you can most certainly not "catch" addiction. It is 100% a conscious choice. It's fine to have sympathy for an addict, and even offer them the chance of recovery. If they refuse, and the majority do, that's on them.
     
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    It's a social disease, not a virus. Social diseases don't work the same because the disease is society and that has to reform to deal with it.
     
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    Of course it's a conscious choice. That doesn't mean there aren't external factors. At one of my AA meetings, a woman talked about how her alcoholic husband would leave drinks lying around to tempt her back into drinking.

    Now, in that situation, her choice to drink is still her choice. But, is that a healthy environment for a recovering addict to be in? No, it's not. The group's advice was either the husband's co-dependent behavior stops, or she leaves. You don't need external forces tempting you.
     
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    And if she took a drink, she is 100% responsible and to blame for doing so.

    None of which changes the fact you can’t “catch”’addiction. It is 100% a choice.
     
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    So if I look at 100 recovering addicts living in stable conditions with partners who aren't addicted, and then compared that to another 100 recovering addicts living in unstable conditions with partner who are addicts, do you think the relapse rate of the two groups will be the same?

    Of course you don't think that. You're not stupid. But how can there be different rates, if it's 100% choice? Because it's obviously not 100% choice. We are massively influenced by the people around us and by our genetics and environment. This virus, if nothing else, should put to rest this stupid idea that anyone is an island. Not in this world.
     
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    irrelevant. It is the persons choice to take a drink or not.

    of course it's 100% choice. Every action a person takes is a choice.
     
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    You just sound like a parrot now. You'll eventually grow out of this phase.
     
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    I'm not sure what else you want me to say? Reality is what it is. A person has 100% control over whether they ingest alcohol or illegal drugs.
     
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    A lot of people don't understand addition.
     
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    No, You missed the point. The CDC is not concerned about massive deaths arising in nursing homes, memory care facilities, child care, schools, prisons, work places, factories, church congregations, hospitals because of opioid use, or heroin use being 'transferred' from one or two people to thousands. So they did not recommend closing them down.
     
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    Tucker: Why Didn't we Shut Down Country Over Drug OD's?

    Because drug OD's aren't contagious.
     
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    You can blame conservative thought for that as they view addiction as a moral problem rather than a medical one.
     
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    This type of thinking was cemented into our War On Drugs campaign which has been a complete failure.

    Then add the FDAs decision back in the late 80s to allow pharmaceutical companies to advertise directly to consumers and you wind up with the recipe to expand the pool of addicts from street junkies to middle class working families. Carlson's comments are devoid of the history that created the mess in the first place.
     
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