Tulsa cop Betty Jo Shelby found not guilty in death of Terence Crutcher

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  1. HonestJoe

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    They can’t win with you. You’d moan if they didn’t bring charges at all, you’d moan if they’d brought lesser charges and you’re moaning that they brought heavier charges. It seems that you only want a legal process as long as it leads to the predefined outcome you want.

    How can you say the officer got away with murder when you said manslaughter was “over-charging”? :cool:
     
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    It's not about temper, it's about living. When a suspect does not yield to commands and is moving towards a car, they are most likely going grab something. While it could have been his drivers license, he was not following orders to stop moving. The onus is on the suspect, in this case.
     
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    There are projectiles called bean bags. Non-lethal but they'll knock you down.
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    unless you've been in their shoes, don't talk.
     
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    Easy to criticize training when you're sittin in the comfort of your armchair.
    How about you put on a badge - strap a gun to your hip - and answer those calls at 12 in the night. Then tell us about reflexes.
    And if you're not convinced, you can get a glimpse of what happens when cops don't react

    The only person that needs to be blamed here is the guy that didn't follow the instructions of the officer. There is no officer in the USA that tells a suspect to walk slowly back to the car - They'll always say hands where I can see them, stop or drop to the ground to get control of the situation. What do you do when the suspect isn't complying and putting there hands where you can't see them.

    I refer you to the video again if you have doubts about what happens when you're not alert
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just the other day we were called to a hospital room where a patient had a knife in his hand and refused to drop it. He eventually made his way to the hallway, stood in the middle refusing to move. The decision to bag shoot him was made after several attempts to have him comply failed - he was black, btw.

    If this guy was holding a gun instead of a knife, there would have been no bag - it would have been lead v lead.
     
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    Baton round will knock you over real quick. So will a rock salt cartridge.
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    What a great country to be black in.
     
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    Typical. These constant deaths at the hands of police are only ruled "not guilty" because of the direction of judges and the legalese that sets these cops up with practically no oversight and no accountability and no ethics.

    There's a reason people say **** the police.
     
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    Of course the shooting was justified. He was told to stop, he didn't. He went to his car and was reaching inside. You don't wait to see what he pulls out. By then it is too late. Not to mention they could smell PCP chemicals coming from him. If people want to not get shot by a cop, do what the hell they tell you to. If you have an issue with how the cop is acting, file a complaint afterwards. Don't try to be non compliant or aggressive, or you could very well end up dead.

    It is a difficult and dangerous job we ask our police officers to do. I wouldn't want to ask them to change their policy to be less lethal. That would only result in more dead police officers. The answer is for civilians to stop acting like idiots.
     
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    yes, but that is not a chance worth taking if they have a gun or are reaching for an unknown object.
    the fact is this suspect did not follow orders and put the cop in a defensive corner.
     
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    Ignoring his looong criminal past, I love the line from the press. "Terence was just starting to turning his life around".
    Another thug no longer a threat to society.

    Moral of the story. Do what an officer tells you to do.
     
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    I guess the only way to take down an unarmed suspect is to put a bullet in him.
     
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    Personally I would prefer that he be disabled by a baton round rather than shot dead (just in case). It isn't a difficult option. I guess shoot to kill is the simplest.
     
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    when he's reaching for something in his vehicle after refusing to stop walking and put his hands up, you leave the officer no choice.
    your tears over this suspect is yours alone.
     
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    Or just maybe people might prefer to live somewhere far away from trigger-happy cops? Is 'thug' code for 'black'?
     
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    How do you know he said "**** the police".

    So if you don't stop walking then you get shot.
     
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    once again, a baton round is only logical if you know the weapon is NOT a gun. In this case, the cop had every right to assume he was reaching for a gun.
     
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    i'm quoting the poster, not the suspect
     
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    When did he reach for something?
     
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    your whining is funny.
    this suspect would be alive but refused to follow commands.
     
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    he was walking towards his vehicle after refusing to stop and put his hands up as commanded by the officer.
    there is no reason to assume his intentions were good or safe at that point.
     
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    There are always non-lethal choices; police forces around the world use them all the time.
     
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    Would he? How many instances of compliant suspects shot dead with their hands up would you like me to post?


    Again these cops got away with murder.
     
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    i've seen those videos and have said those officers in those cases need to be in prison.
    you see, it's called being moral and objective.
     

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