Tulsa cop Betty Jo Shelby found not guilty in death of Terence Crutcher

I thought prosecutors were the solution to all the nations ills? Comey wanted prosecutors, Schumer wants "special" prosecutors ... Yes, prosecutors, can't have enough of them ... and crazy unsustainable charges? Well by all means ...

 

So if you don't follow commands then shoot. Doesn't matter if you are in danger or not. It is still 2 Justice Systems in this country.

 

what does this have to do with the case we're talking about ? do you see me supporting the cops in the video you posted ? strawman.

 

So shoot to kill if you think he might do something.

 

Just another example of serial cop brutality in America, where you can cite the most absurd justification and get away with murder. There is something very wrong in your country.

 

when you're a cop with a gun on a suspect who is not listening to commands, YES.
it's not like he was just standing there, he was walking towards his car.
i promise you that you would have shot him if you were the officer - it's instinct.
you lack empathy.

 

The cop was absolutely in danger, and the shooting was justified. The judge and jury saw it the same way. Saying the cop was not in danger is just showing your ignorance.

 

Yeah, what is wrong is we have an entire segment of our population telling their kids you don't have to obey the police or follow the rule of law. Then they wonder why they end up dead. Idiots.

 

'Instinct'? Are you not trained to think instead of simply reacting? Animals work on instinct.

 

yes, but the training is based off of survival based instinct.
you have never worn a badge, never been attacked by a suspect.
you are a one man peanut gallery.
internet tough guys are easily exposed.

 

a seemingly instinctive tendency to side against law enforcement,
while cheering the passage of more laws, regulations and mandates,
would appear to be incontrovertible evidence of that mental disorder
many have alleged to exist on the left side of the aisle.

 

There's a video floating around youtube that shows just how quickly a suspect can pull a gun and put rounds into cops. If you don't think their job involves instinct, you're beyond help.

 

I'm a retired police officer (30+ years) and a police firearms instructor and use of force instructor. I didn't like this shooting, and I wouldn't have shot.

But the charge of manslaughter does include an element of unlawful intent, and I am guessing that that is what the jury found lacking. This is probably not over, though. The feds might bring a federal civil rights charge, and there will undoubtedly be a civil lawsuit.

 

So you're basically saying the officers should take the first bullet. I think it would be better to raise your hands above your head and await further instruction, but hey, we're all born with a certain amount of stupidity, how, when and where one choses to use it is their prerogative!

 

I hired in as a young LEO in the suburbs of Detroit when the only training was the chief shaking your hand, congratulating you for getting the job. Then he hands you hand cuffs, a gun and a badge and says be back at midnight for your first tour. That was in 1957. I could tell by the voice of the officer when she called in 'shots fired' that she was not in control of the situation. Even though I would not have fired when she did I can't fault her. I fault lack of training.

Those that like bean bags and such want to keep in mind if you use some of those methods the perp might get pissed off enough to kill you.

 

How is manslaughter considered over charging?

 

I think you have played too many video games or something. If you have never been in a situation like that, then you have no idea what you are talking about. You have a split second to decide to shoot or not. From everything I've seen and read, the cop made a good decision.

 

No, what I have said is that there are non-lethal way to take down a suspect. Raise your arms? Have you any idea how many incidents of non-armed civilians surrendering to cops and ending up dead there are?

 

Maybe he forgets that humans are animals too...

 

You can't speak for me or anyone else.
Folks like you will always defend these cops.
I remember when the Oscar Grant was shot and killed while laying face down and handcuffed folks like you defended it. When Amadou Diallo was murdered by police folks like you defended it.

A black man's life means nothing to folks like you.

 

I'm curious in what scenario we were told that suspects deviating from command instructions were to be given the benefit of the doubt when walking towards an unsecured location. In this case, the suspect was clearly indicting non-compliance from the get go and was escalating the situation. There is 100% reason to assume a firearm was probable given he was brazen enough not to follow commands.

 

I would think things have changed greatly over the last thirty years I know as a child a policeman was a mentor to most children and many when asked in grade school what would they like to be and it was always Fireman or Policeman, hardly the choice today. Today the Po-Po is the scum of the earth in most area's of the city's and killing one is a huge badge of honor, this aint thirty years ago by any sense of the imagination!

 

ah, the race card - i don't give a damn this guy was black. you do - that's your problem.
maybe if you stopped seeing the world through race like the klan, and instead went by logic and objectivity, you would see the forest from the trees.

 

There you go with your racist crap again. It doesn't matter if he was white, black, yellow or purple, if someone places a cop in a position where they fear for their life, then they will likely get shot. I'm so sick of the racist BS. For some reason people think "oh, I'm black, so I can do whatever the **** I want". Grow the hell up.

 

the race/gender card is what they pull out when logic and evidence is not on their side.