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Your own source says you are comparing apples with oranges on this. In Sweden you can rape without making any threats, coercion or violence. Both parties have to give consent in order to prevent being accused of raping afterwards. It's well known that ever since they made that law, the amount of rape cases skyrocketed in that country. Which is a very different approach from the US who only has a "No means no" theme, where the consent is as good as automatically there unless it's said there is none.

You're free to post comparable data to prove your point. So far you have not.

 

Sure I do. The fact rates dropped in the US right after the new Australian laws! LOL

 

It's irrelevant, because the fact remains that rapes increased in Australia after the gun ban. So did massacres. So did violent crimes. In the U.S. crime went down in the same period.

 

The graph shows the American deaths by guns dropped from a 12 to an 11.
While Australia went from 2.75 to a 1.

So the US went from just just above 4 times more violent to 11 times more violent.
"almost the same" ... sure. lol

 

It's relevant. YOUR OWN source calls the comparison of rape statistics apples with pears. lol

And no. The murder dropped in Australia. While US went from a 12 to a 11 murders per 100,000,.. Australia went from a 2.75 to a 1 per 100,000. So all in all. The US was ones about 4 times more violent. It's not 11 times more violent. To say that both crime rates have dropped is true, but that's just obviously dishonest since you deliberately omit that Australia has become a heck of a lot saver.

 

Strawman. Never claimed it was the same.

 

The murder rate in 2019-2020 increased 16%.

https://theconversation.com/homicide-is-on-the-rise-in-australia-should-we-be-concerned-178320

 

You stated that they the numbers in the US dropped like in Australia.
I proved you are wrong, and you are currently conceding to that by not disputing the numbers.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.html
Provisional data from the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics, released early Wednesday, suggest the homicide rate for the United States rose 30% between 2019 and 2020.

The US is simply far more violent, by a lot. And nothing shows that the stats are going to come anywhere close to what other modern western nations have. Get over it.

 

"Rape. It's better than getting shot."

-Australia

 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

you were shown why, but you’ve been ducking this for a long time. Guess who?

 

Nope. After the passage of NFA in Australia, the your graph clearly shows a drop in BOTH Australian and US “numbers”. Look at your graph. You posted it.

LOL.

 

The United States has more people. Of course there will be more violence. The one thing we can say that those countries can't, is that our crime rates saw a decrease.

 

you are saying this. But the graph still says:
the American deaths by guns dropped from a 12 to an 11 = drop of 9%
While Australia went from 2.75 to a 1 = drop of 36%

A drop from 12 to an 11 is also just a drop of 1 per 100,000.
While a drop from 2.75 to 1, is a drop of 1.75 per 100,000.
In absolute numbers it's closer to double than being the same.

So the drop is not the same.
And you have not proved any kind of link between the US and Australia. This is also part of your claim. The "drop" of 12 to 11 could just be a casual coincidence.

 

Sources have been given that the US is more violent in %.
We're not talking about absolute numbers.
It's punching far above it's weight.
Everybody is aware of it, and no doubt so do you.
You're just trying to whine out of it by only wanting to look at absolute numbers.
Pathetic.

Fact is that the majority of Americans are sick of it and want tougher gun control, the stuff other modern western nations have.

 

That’s the point. You can’t “prove” causality. You are just looking at a graph and reporting correlations. I’m not interested in correlation. The firearm death rate in Australia fell before and after the NFA. You need to explain why it was falling drastically before the NFA and the you can move on to attempting to show causality. The FACT the US rate dropped after the Australian NFA means you have to establish causality and can’t rely on correlation alone.

Go ahead, show causality. Or don’t. But stop claiming we can make policy on correlation alone.

 

I agree that the trend was going down. The thing is, the downward trend was INCREASED right after the NFA policy. And THEN Australia had multiple gun buy back programs so the new and sharper downward trend kept on going.

I already have done so.
The US went from 12 to 11 per 100,000. Australia went from 2.75 to 1 per 100,000.
So Australia was ones 4.5 times more safe. It is now... 11 times more safe then the US!!

And you can say all you want that it aint so. But your opinion isn't supported by the numbers / facts.

 

No, the overall violent crime rates, including rape and burglary are much higher in those countries than here in the U.S. The crime rate in The United States fell until 2020. That didn't happen in England, or Australia.

The increase in crime is because of a decrease in policing, not an increase in gun ownership.

 

https://www.savvy.com.au/australian-home-burglary-and-security-statistics-2021
Unlawful entry with intent 2020 figures dropped by 23%, lowest for 28 years

Please stop lying.

 

Consider the facts.


Did you know from 1980 to 1995 the firearm homicide rate in Australia fell from 0.8/100,000 to about 0.35/100,000? Then after the drastic measures in 1996 the rate fell from that .35 to .17 over the same time period as the first approximately 50% drop? Probably not because graphical representations of data you see most often exclude data previous to 1996 passage of new law credited with reducing firearm homicides. These tricks fool most who are not critical thinkers. I invite you to look at the actual evidence, not just parrot media and politicians on this subject. As I said earlier, both sides are playing us on this issue. If saving lives is the goal, being played isn’t going to accomplish that. We are going to have to base our decisions on actual evidence, not emotion.

The firearm homicide rate fell just as much previous to the bans and buybacks as after. This is a fact.

Your argument is the equivalent of me spending 15 years working a job and earning 2.5 million dollars.

At the end of the 15 years I go out in my yard and stand on my head and burp up 37 jelly beans.

After standing on my head and burping jelly beans I go back to work for 15 more years and earn another 2.5 million dollars.

Then after those 15 years I go around telling people my earnings of the last 15 year period were the direct result of my act of standing on my head and burping up 37 jelly beans.

That is essentially your argument.

Sorry, your opinion has no more value that the jelly bean theory.

 

Australia still has the second highest rape rate in the world.

 

They are also the second most misogynistic country—big surprise there huh? Second only to Muslim majority and official religion Malaysia.

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/australian-men-rank-among-most-misogynistic/

 

And where the numbers of Australia fell, the numbers of the US stalled.
I shall repeat:
Australia went from being 4.5 times more safe. It is now... 11 times more safe then the US.

And you are busy with conceding to this since you're ignoring it.

 

I’m uninterested in your jelly bean evidence. Lines on a graph are not evidence of causation. If they were, the Australian NFA caused firearm deaths to decrease in the US after implementation as your graph clearly shows.

LOL

 

I think it was even you who sourced that, and that source contained the warning that you can not compare rape stats from country to country, since the definition of rape changes.
In some countries it's not possible to file a lawsuit against your own husband/wife who had sex with you without consent.
In some countries it's a no means no thing, but it aint rape if their isn't given explicit consent.
In other countries it's rape when 1 side didn't give explicit consent.


It's obvious you're frustrated of the point you lost the argument that the US is indeed the most violent country by far, when looking at similar civilized nations.
And other similar civilized nations have nice strict gun control laws who obviously work.
While the majority of Americans want strict gun laws.