Tulsi Gabbard

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  1. Truly Enlightened

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    This is what a true leader looks like. This is what poise, confidence, courage, intelligence, and authenticity looks like. This is what the power of truth can do in the presence of hypocrisy. This is why choosing anyone else would be to settle for less, and not the best. It just doesn't get any better than this.

     
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    It speaks to her poise how she can be in the company of someone so stupid and not call it to her face.
    It was funny how the producers got to Whoopi during break to try to lessen Clinton's smear by saying that the quote was not directed directly at her. Tulsi called her out on it. This was a great appearance by her.
     
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    The UBI puts $1,000 into the pocket of people who are jobless. This equates to only $250p/w, whereby unemployment benefits are around $450p/w. Families are given a choice to work for a $15 minimum wage per hour(up from $7.25), or to not work for the equivalence of $5.75 per hour https://www.convertunits.com/salary/12000 . The highest average salaries for housekeepers, janitors(custodians), at private hospitals, are $11.48p/h($23,880p/y), $12.49p/h($25,980p/y), and $13.01p/h($27,180p/y) respectively. These are the wages that the 75 percentiles make in these professions. Claiming that that most healthcare workers are making over $15 p/h is a bit misleading. Statistics and data can be easily skewed as only a half truth https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Janitor-Hospital-Salary . So, I disagree that the most vulnerable(the poor) people in society will benefit from UBI, or a $15.00 hourly rate. Unless you also include some targeted price-freezing. Without this, they will have less savings to save, and a savings that will buy much less.

    Inflation is a measure that indicates, the rate in the rise of prices on goods and services. Anything that leads to higher pricing on all basic necessities, such as food, will have a negative impact on society. Inflation is a concern, because it makes the money we save today become less valuable tomorrow. How many loafs of bread could you buy ten years ago, with the savings you have today? Why? Inflation erodes at the consumer's purchasing power. This even effects our ability to save for our retirement. For example, if an investor earned 5% from investments in stocks and bonds, but the inflation rate was 3%, the investor only earned 2% in real terms. Inflation results from an increase in production costs, or an increase in demand for products and services. Providing consumers with more capital, will only increase demand, and drive up costs. Without a price-freeze on all essential goods and services, corporations will only compensate for any increase in their overhead costs, by increasing their prices. It is ironic, that it is government that is allowing people to pay more for products and services, and not corporations. I guess inflation will just continue to rise, as long as people are under the illusion, that they will be better off than before.

    Any amount of price increase affects earnings and savings. It is not just one or two products or services existing in isolation. Most people do not go to the super market just to buy one item. It is the total cost that is a better indicator of inflation. If your total shopping is 50 dollars more that it was 6 months ago, well I think you see my meaning.

    Also giving people $1,000 p/m without any personal productivity, is just a monthly stimulus package in disguise. This will only benefit corporations, and is essentially the government again giving corporations another handout. As an entrepreneur, he knows that if we give people more money(not from his pockets), that they will buy even more things. What would be even better than a price-freeze on essential goods and services, is if the government gave everyone $1,000, regardless of if they were working or not. Also, if the government adjusted our savings to the cost of living index(269% in Calif.). Of course, this ain't gonna happen.

    But stopping all wars, and wasting Trillions of dollars, is a great place to start.
     
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    This is the truth about what our troops are doing in Syria. Stealing and protecting the oil, in another sovereign country. The whole world and Tulsi knows it. The good news is TULSI HAS JUST MADE THE NOVEMBER DEBATES. . Eventually, her message will become the only message.
     
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    The true story of why Hillary attacked Tulsi Gabbard. Kim is one of my all-time favorite independent journalist.
     
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    unfortunately, the dnc already choose their poster boy, the only chance at getting anyone else in, is for voters to force their hand by joining together during the remaining primaries and choose anyone else but warren/biden... i'd prefer to see tulsi get the nod and if she does & depending on her choice of vp, i will vote for her (btw, i'm a lifelong center-leaning conservative repub)... i'd truly like to see a third party of moderates emerge from the ruins of what our two party system is, we are all witness to the total corruption of both parties, their lies, and the lengths they'll go to, to keep themselves in power... time for a refresh
     
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    I absolutely love this woman and that is coming from one who disagrees with many of her beliefs. She is the democrat version of Donald Trump and says what she feels.
    I support Trump for a few reasons, strong military, judges that will follow the constitution, and his ability to step out of the typical presidential mould and challenge those who wish him gone.
    That said, I feel Gabbard would do the same and if she were running against Trump, the debates would be very interesting and I would wait until they were over to make my choice.
     
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    yep, interesting indeed... one more reason why the dems should have chose her, because at some point trump would put his foot in his mouth during the debates while she remains poised and collected, it'd be a slam dunk for them...
    as the saying goes, stupid is as stupid does...
     
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    I don't get your argument, Well first let me say I am from Mass and up here everybody gets close to 15 at min. McDs starts you at $12 and after 90 days you are close to $15. Gas station attendents get $12.50. A neighbor works in a hospital passing out supplies and he is over $17 and the janitors make more than him but he gets to sit down all day.

    UBI will put 10% more money into the system. (US total income of wages of 20 trill) A family making 50,000 will now get 74,000. So even if worse case scenario being all 10% directly hit inflation, the cost of that families goods and services will be 55,000 and they will still be up 19,000 before taxes. Now a family that now spends 250,000 a year will see inflation of 25 thousand and only the same 24,000 offset so they start to lose 1,000 and everyone above that even more.
    But it is not just that prices will increase taking up some of the UBI money people will buy more and stimulate the economy even more, creating more jobs. Plus you didn't mention that Food stamps and other public assistance will see a sever drop as people opt out of those programs to take part in the UBI.

    I don't know what you mean about Unemployment, that is still going to be as it is now under UBI. Hell When I got laid off in 2003, I made more than that in UI.
     
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    I really hope the dems don't catch on to Gabbard's success as she could be a deal breaker for Trump's re-election. It is better she runs around picking apart the looniness of the socialist wing of the democrat party.
     
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    So she's a conservative DINO? (Yes, the answer is yes.) Not really Dem Primary material and all the right wing love proves it.
     
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    I think there is a streak of 'DINO' in her, especially on social issues and some foreign policy matters but her front tires are definitely dragging her to the left as the years pass. Her evolution has made her better since her days as a State legislator from Hawaii. Because I am 100% in favor of a big broad intra-party discussion every four years as represented in our party nomination process, I want both Gabbard and Sanders as well as Buttigieg in between, to hang around and keep us all talking about where we want our big fat tent to sit on the campground from 2020-2024. Its our relative lack of options to choose from past Iowa that killed us in 2016.

    All that happens with her sitting in these debates, is that we hear a perspective that we don't normally hear in our everyday left of center talking points from MSNBC. She's not doing any harm and we are reminded that having a presence in Syria and a policy of regime change is not without risks. We should hear that argument.

    She was also the one to remind us that State Attorney Generals are ultimately responsible for what happens in their State justice department offices and there should be conversations about how aggressive they dare be to hold onto a bad conviction - including motions to suppress the scope of defense council discovery motions in a capital case.

    We are learning things from her, if we listen.
     
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    blindly voting left just because you're on lefties teams is, well, a leftie kinda thing to do... open your mind, you don't have to vote for the home team just because you reside there...
    then again, most lefties are prone to peer pressure, it takes a strong minded person to ignore your peers and see the truth before you...
     
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    I have no interest is voting for a far right, dictator loving, Hindu extremist with questionable tied to foreign money. Neither should anyone else that wants a free, secular America.
     
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    you've hit on every point, the msm has done a masterful job on you, congrats
     
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    What conservatives you know want:
    1. Universal healthcare
    2. lower defense spending
    3. An end to fossil fuel energy subsidies
    4. Repeal of Trumps tax cut
    5. Repeal of Bush's tax cut
    6. re-enactment of Glass-Steagal
    7. $15.00 min wage

    Just because she thinks that
    1. 3rd trimester abortions can be limited.
    2. Believes that we need a strong border
    3. would not give health insurance benefits to illegal.
    4, calls out the Obama/Clinton foreign policy disasters in Libya and Syria.
     
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    No!

    Democrats Bill Clinton & Obama are ranked as "conservative" presidencies as Democratic presidencies go.

    We've been through decades of both parties competing for the "middle".
    Now we have a candidate who speaks out against the centrist failures.
    A Democratic Party candidate subverted by her party and the media.

    (sound familiar?)

    Why / How a DINO?
    I do believe she cares about people.


    Moi
    :oldman:


    No :flagcanada:
     
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    It was the Bush Jr. / Obama failed policies she called out!

    Although I would add Clinton.
    Her point was Bush Jr. / Obama, same failed policies especially deployments.
    Regardless of GOP / Democratic. Same. Same.


    Moi :oldman:



    What is her policy on :flagcanada:
    Trump came down on trade abuses
    Bush Jr. / Obama ignored.
     
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    My post was in response to her being called "not being a real democrat" Attributing a fault to Bush, would not have been germane to the point i was making.
     
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    Merely more accurate.
     
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    Democrats thrive on goods passed onto the public so long as they bear none of the costs. Clinton was against Glass Steagall for good reason. Gabbard proves that Democrats actually do not want peace. They want to keep waging war against our own citizens.
     
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    America secular? The overwhelming majority of our society is religious, not secular. Why are you making such baseless assertions about a person willing to die to protect your right to lie and smear her character? You are only rote parroting the unfounded corporate soundbites, from a club that will never have you as a member? If you are simply threatened by her because, she is a woman of color, she is a brave combat veteran, she is a Major in the Army N.G., she is a beautiful and intelligent member of congress, she has the courage to speak truth to power, and the strength to face her accusers face to face, or something as tribal and senseless like she is a Democrat, THEN JUST SAY SO. Why do you, and many like you, need to make up lies, smears, insinuations, and half-truths, to denigrate and disparage, a decorated combat veteran and member of congress? What ounce of proof can you posit to support your clear and irrational bias? NOTHING. It is only corporate "talking heads", that want more endless illegal wars, more crippling sanctions that kill women and children, more money in politics, more abandoning treaties, more money not being used for social reforms, less regulations of Big Business, more expensive healthcare, and protect the Oligarchs and Plutocrats at all costs. So prove it. How is Tulsi a Hindu Extremist, and what Dictator does she secretly love? I didn't think so. Just more corporate fearmongering, to protect their own corporate self interests.

    She is not a DINO, RINO, Centrist, Liberal, Liberaltarian, Progressive, Republican, Socialist, or even a Democrat, or any other label that people need to define someone. No rational person on the planet, would fit into only one category(label). That is why we should all just look at Tulsi's policies, not prejudice her because of our own political bigotry. She is a Patriot, a strong and intelligent woman(of color), a veteran, a congresswoman, who will always put service above self. I have seen many presidential candidates, and she is the best I have ever seen. She has destroyed every corporate stooge that has ever challenged her on policy. Hence, they can only smear her like the cowards they are. That is until they have to confront her face to face. Just like Joy Behar found out the hard way on the view. At least Ana and Sunny were smart enough to have other commitments. The truth is a very powerful weapon, but, in the hands of a talented, intelligent, committed, genuine, experienced, and beautiful woman, it can become an Excalibur. The truth will eventually snowball and gain more and more momentum. Unless, you are a Stephen Miller wannabe, and also believe that the Presidents power shall not be questioned.

    She has also stated, that she wants to return the Democratic Party, to the values that it once held. Namely, Liberty, Equality, and Justice. The Democratic Party today are just full of "toothless tigers.". This is why congress can't stop endless wars, or to stop passing more military budget increases. Her goal is to return to the old Democratic Party ideals. Tulsi is definitely no Donald Trump, because she is not a misogynistic, narcissistic, sociopathic, pathological compulsive liar. Name just one lie that Tulsi has ever stated? I can name 8000 lies by Trump. Name just one bigoted, divisive, or racist remark made by Tulsi? Her personal and religious beliefs are none of my business. If her character is the product of her beliefs, then sign me up.

    If Tulsi was debating Trump, it would be embarrassing for the whole world to see. A person with senior military, foreign and domestic policy experience, arguing with a person with no elected office or military experience at all. If she wins the nomination, there will be NO debates at all. They will keep Trump away from Tulsi at all costs. There is no handle he could use on Tulsi, without making himself look childish and immature. But, if for some reason it did happen once, it would never happen again. Tulsi could be the only candidate that could win all 50 States. The more she is heard, the more her message will resonate, And, the more the smears will become just silly and stupid. We have become so conditioned to accept BS as truth, that we can only see the truth as being BS. But like Tulsi says, "the American people are smarter than this.". She IS a true leader, that stands far above the rest of the field. She has not only proven what she is capable of, but also just how much she is holding back.
     
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    What a bunch of idiotic nonsense. This is exactly the reason Dems will again be losing in 2020, because of people like you. Too focused on identity politics and conspiracies theories to actually care about winning the majority of the American people.

    Tulsi is on the left, just because it's an American first leftist viewpoint doesn't make her views any less leftist, especially with her economic policies. The majority of Americans agree that third trimester abortions are completely wrong. That's a bipartison viewpoint, it's not a radical right conspiracy theory to be reasonable.
     
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    Clinton was a corpratist as much as most Repubs. What war with Americans does Gabbard wish to fight. For some reason you must think Multi-national banks are owned by Americans. This country did fine before the repeal of Glass-Steagal and 8 years after it's repeal what did we get- the largest banking crisis ever.

    It is not the tea party republicans and the progressives that are the enemy of the american people. It is the middle 70% of politicians that sell themselves to large corporations.

    Do you think tea-party republicans would have granted China most favored nation and allowed the greatest transfer of wealth that has ever occurred. Do you think that a Union based economy would have shut down GM as soon as they tried to import cheap goods from communist China? Now both sides progressives and Tea-party republicans may have a different approach to grow America and keep it strong, but they both have everyday Americans well being as thier Aim. Pelosi- McConnell and thier ilk are the enemy of the american people.
     
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    fyi, the person you replied to is an avid trump hater (blindly so), the presumption from his postings would suggest he's far to the extreme left, ergo everything else is far right & bad...
    btw, trump uses sarcasm to wake people up none are lies in the sense of what an actual lie is... it works because he's gotten everyone to pay attention, which is exactly what this country needed, and now that he has everyone's attention, the truth about our two parties is emerging, brilliantly... the dnc, as it stands now, they are so blinded by hatred that they've become 100% anti-american, ripping apart the constitution, the bill of rights, and law & order, they were calling for impeach from day one long before trump was inaugurated, manufacturing 'evidence' and getting the msm onboard with a monumental smear campaign spreading lies, unsubstantiated accusations, one after another, lawsuits, injunctions, blockades, aimed at making his tenure appear bad for the record books/archives... they're fractured & split between progressive (imo communists) and it's former conservative moderates, the libs fall to either side that fits their need at the time... dems actively chose division, through hatred, rather than trying to sort things out, this is all documented (even on msm) for nearly 4 years now, there's no denying it, that said, the repubs aren't angels by no means, yet with all that bs piled on by the dnc, msm & social media, trump managed to accomplish many good things for the country, largely unreported thanks to the biased & hateful media.

    all that aside, if tulsi miraculously become the left's nominee, i'm inclined to vote for her depending on her vp choice... why, because she's refreshing but mostly because she's face less frantic opposition from her own party, or at least i'd be hopeful that they won't go full on batshit crazy against her, as they've done to trump from before he ever took office. now i think trump is perfect for this country, we needed change desperately, but another 4 years+ of this lunacy of the left has got to end, tulsi just might be the next right person to accomplish it...
     
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