Tulsi Gabbard

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  1. Realdave

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    Rightwingers love to push Tulsi hoping she will become a third party candidate.
     
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    Because I've never been polled. They are only pulling registered dems. My state, it's not required to register to vote in the primary so.
     
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    No but he's certainly perpetuated wars our "allies" are involved with. And he certainly hasn't ended any. So no, Trump is about equal on foreign policy as previous presidents, which is BAD.
     
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    Thats what all the lefties on democrat underground say too.

    But as it turns out-Hillary labeling Tulsi as a Russian asset is what breathed new life into her campaign.

    It allowed her to appear at the last debate and she just qualified for the one in mid december.

    You should be blaming Hillary.
     
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    The Russians love Tulsi's global outlook. Pull back our military & open it up for Russia.

    The Russians own you righties. Hillary just pointed it out & made that plan less likely to happen.
     
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    I guess that means the neo-cons own you lefties. Let’s go get into a war somewhere! Yay!
     
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    Everyone you don't like is a Russian.

    That kind of nuanced insight will take you far, no doubt.
     
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    It has always amazed me, just how people could still believe in a Russian world-wide domination scenario. Maybe we should take another look at which country has more military bases scattered all over the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_overseas_military_bases . Does anyone even stop to think, what a logistic, political, and social nightmare, it would be to control just one country? Let along an empire. It is ironic, that our unfounded Russian paranoia, only makes Putin more popular among Russians. He is laughing at all the baseless credit we keep giving him. Haven't we learned anything from the McCarthy era?(the Second Red Scare). Apparently not. It doesn't even matter that Russia has not been a true Communist country since 1991. Tulsi's global outlook is the most rational, for rational people. Stop trying to remove governments, that refuse to trade in US dollars, or Nationalize their own resources. Stop trying to undermine, interfere, or sanction the economies of any country that refuses to allow corporate America to pilferage and exploit anything of value in a country(oil, lithium, gas, minerals, etc.).The question should always be, "Why are we in the country, in the first place?". Not, "What will happen when we leave?". The latter should never justify the former.

    Why are we accusing the victim of lies and smears, of taking advantage of smears and lies? Does anyone think that this is a real political strategy? Are any of these accusations and smears NEW to her campaign? Of course not. She has put up with these lies and smears since day one. HER MESSAGE IS RESONATING NOT BECAUSE OF LIES AND SMEARS, BUT INSPITE OF LIES AND SMEARS. Cynicism still abounds.

    We have never seen what honesty and authenticity really looks like. So, we are instinctively suspicious. This in itself is sad. We are so use to seeing staged theater, that when something is not like the other, we must dismiss it, or omit it. This is called cognitive dissonance. No one can question her policies and message, so they can only attack her character. But this is hard to do, after you hear her speak. She won me after stopping all endless regime-change wars, and getting money out of politics. Without this first, the rest is just a 70 year theater of more empty promises. The DNC would rather lose to Trump, than elect any Progressive. Ask yourself, does it matter to their status quo which neocon, neolib, or centrist is elected? As long as a Corporate Democrat or Corporate Republican is elected, their political lifestyle will not be threatened. But any Progressive would change all that. We are all being duped by the DNC and MSM, with our eyes wide open.
     
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    Don't forget

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    Russia's Polar Partner
    It ain't all geography!
     
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    We know for a fact that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election in favor of Trump.

    We also know that the Russians would like for the US to pull out of Europe & the Middle East.

    Tulsi wants to lessen our military presence in these countries.

    Russian backing Tulsi like they did Trump makes sense.
     
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    Having a military presence is not pushing for war & more likely to prevent one.

    I just find it odd that the Russians wanted Trump and so do you.
     
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    Cold wars over dude. Calm down. Also I have no idea where Tulsi said anything about reducing military presence in the countries we have the right to have a military presence, like in allied countries. All over the ME doesn't count. The Russians can have the oil and increase tensions against themselves. We don't need it. We are better than that.
     
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    And I suppose you wanted Hillary - a woman who never saw a war she didn't like. War was her default solution if nations didn't knuckle under to our will.
     
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    Not going to happen, and we are not waiting for it. If anything, when the Democrats win back the White House - and they will sooner or later - we want a quality person in there, and she is that.
     
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    There is a huge difference between a "military presence" and getting involved in counter-productive, bloody wars that are none of our business.
     
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    Agreed, and the US military isn't law enforcement either.
     
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    That was Summers' view too (though he admitted he hadn't studied MMT).

    Here is professor Harvey's refutation of Krugman, Summers and Rogoff.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2019/03/05/mmt-sense-or-nonsense/#59046d895852

    In any case, Powell and co will be toast when the next recession hits, since monetary policy is already maxed-out (even pushing negative interest rates in some countries.....).
    Then we'll finally get rid of neoliberal monetarist dogma, at last.
     
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    This reminds me of a passage in Joseph Goebbels's propaganda playbook.

    "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”.

    Trump uses this technique, when he calls the MSM "fake news", and the "enemy of the people". This theory supports why we believe in many conspiracy theories(moon landing aliens, the paranormal, a flat earth, etc.). This propaganda technique is of course a logical fallacy(Big Lie). Only used to create the illusion of truth. We simply accept any information that is much easier to process, over information that is harder to process, or that can cause conflict. If ANYTHING is said over and over again, it will become the illusion of truth. It’s this "fluency-as-a-surrogate-for-truth shortcut" that makes critical thinking and logical inferencing very difficult. We simply trust our assumptions of what is obviously true, without actually testing them. If anyone chooses to believe, that a 2 time decorated combat veteran, and Major in the Army National Guard, a 4 term Congresswoman in the House of Representative, and a devout believer in Hinduism, can also be a Russian asset, or too stupid to know if she is, without any objective evidence at all, is unfortunately logically challenged.

    If Russia wants us to NOT bomb Detroit, stop stealing the resources of sovereign countries, stop building more Nuclear weapons, stop killing and maiming women and children using drones, should we do these things just to show Russia, that we are not their puppet? Tulsi wants to remove our troops from trying to topple foreign governments. And, Putin also wants the US to stop trying to topple governments in the middle east. Does this mean that Tulsi is a Russian asset? Or, maybe we should do the things that are only in the best interests of the American people. If this means removing our troops from countries that we have unlawfully occupied, and are stealing their assets, then so be it. We have military bases that completely surrounds Syria and Iran. Now add crippling sanctions, and intimidating US rhetoric, and you really think this will make war less likely? Why is it odd that Russia(and many other European countries), want the US to stop illegally occupying, and waging illegal wars against the sovereign countries in the Middle East. Thank God we have Saudi Arabia, and Israel to back us up, because none of our allies will. https://www.cer.eu/publications/arc...roubled-partnership-us-and-europe-middle-east

    People across the political spectrum agree with Tulsi's foreign policy position. Does that mean they are also Russian assets? Did you know that before 1989 Iraq under Saddam Hussein, that people had free Universal Healthcare, and free Education, and one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world. But, as soon as they Nationalized their oil, this policy did not sit well with our oil corporations and the British(BP). They only saw Iraq’s vast oil reserves as a gold mine to be controlled and tapped. The sanctions that were imposed, prevented Iraq from importing supplies of food and medicine and other necessities. Hundreds of thousands of children died. When Madeleine Albright(US Ambassador to the UN) was asked, "We have heard that a half a million children have died(because of sanctions against Iraq). I mean that is more children than died in Hiroshima. And – you know, is the price worth it?”. She replied, “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price – we think the price is worth it.". Is this the kind of Nationalistic, apathetic, corporate cronyism, you want from our leaders? I certainly don't. Whose interest should our leaders really serve?
     
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    One of the greatest regrets of my life is seeing people miss the point.

    Its like watching people kicking iceberg fragments on the titanic.
     
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    No , that's not true, we recognize someone who has talent
     
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    What you may see as a regret, I see as a welcomed opportunity to learn. In what way did I miss the point of the poster's comments?
     
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    They learned as they slipped in the ocean to die.

    Not an authentic learning experience.
     
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    Sorry, I'm not very good at cryptic. All learning experiences are authentic and personal. So, could you be a bit more specific?
     
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    One helps prevent the other.
     
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    No war should be counter-productive. No war should be unnecessary. We can have a "presence" all over the world, and we do. We may defend ourselves and our closest, longstanding allies. But if some middle eastern country has a civil war within its borders, that's their business, not ours.
     
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