Turkish Air Force have made operation in Northern Iraq last night

Then why is erdogan accused of being a sultan all the time? He's ottomanist, a kind of turkish nationalism.

 

Because he is creating Ottoman back and this is the last thing other World countries would like to see.

 

Ottoman empire back would be quite neat actually. I am a fan of monarchies. A padishah would be awesome. It would have to be one from the house of osman of course, not erdogan. Get back the czar u ruskies also, a romanov.

 

I think it has to do with something more basic: Truth. Facts. I do not confuse philosophy with governments lies --- a rationale, perhaps. There may be a good reason for the government to lie to us but as we do not know what that rationale is because of the lie, truth and facts are stymied.

 

Today's Ottoman is not a monarchy. Its going to be ruled with presidential system. Presidential system gives broader rights for the head of states. In the current govt. system of Turkey, the state cannot thrive and prosper. Govt. oppositions always have chance to stop govt. projects in a way. Current US form of government is a copy of Ottoman form of govt..

 

Ottoman Family is living in France with French passports

 

Think about this for minute.

ISIS forces anyone they contact to join.
If someone does not they are killed, tortured, enslaved, or raped.
Likely everyone around ISIS either already is ISIS, will become ISIS, or wishes they were dead already.

You are correct, there are no civilians there are dead people, slaves, and members.

 

Nonsense. You are trying your best to justify murdering civilians but you will never be able to do that.

 

There is one problem though, the majority of the people in lands that Erdogan wants for his new 'Ottoman Empire', are not Turks, and they do not want to be under Turks...nor do they want to be under Turkish laws. Just ask them. ..It's a lot better than bloodshed.

 

To give you an idea of just how much others do not want to be under Turkey, the Armenians have just rearmed themselves with the latest Russian missiles, and in Lebanon Turks are fearful of being kidnapped. In Libya they are looked upon as terrorists, and in Syria Turkish planes are not allowed to fly. Egypt and Cyprus have no diplomatic relations with them, and in Iran their relations have cooled off immensely. As for Iraq, the Turks have been ordered out of their country and in the Black Sea, they are continuously being humiliated by the Russians

Greece doesn't like Turkey's threats towards its islands, and the burdens on its economy by the constant flow of migrants and air violations...not to mention little things like forest fires popping out of no where when the trade winds blow. Then there is China who is not fond of Turkeys support for the Uyghur terrorists, and also Serbia. We have to add to that list the EU nations who somehow don't like to be blackmailed.

Maybe Turkey better take a good look at itself before it's too late.

PS - I don't know if Israel restored its diplomatic relations, but if not, you can add them to the list.

 

SSDT (Same sh.it different thread)

You gonna have to fight much harder than this as we all waiting 24/7 to refute your troll attacks against Turks with your 2 cents' worth poor capacity, full of BS.

Ukraine - They just love Turks. We are business partners in bunch of different areas.
Greece - Watching Turkish soap operas all day, everyday i.e Magnificent Century
Cyprus - Welcoming us, since 1974 Turks can go freely to South Cyprus without visa.
Armenia - I think we all love "Alen Markaryan" and he loves us back
Georgia - Probably the best neighbor, willfully join the project TANAP with Turks.
Bulgaria - 10% of the population is Turkish, they have Turkish political parties and tons of Turkish congressmen in the parliament. Very good relationships.
Egypt - Last time I checked they "DOWNED RUSSIAN PLANE, not Turkish.
Libya - No Qaddafi, no problem. Turks just stopped their investments due to the general safety reasons concerning everybody in there.
Lebanon - I was in Beirut a week ago, beautiful city, good food, and actually very nice, very friendly people. We face no problems.
Iraq - We are in Baghdad for a while now, we just chill at night on the street with our American brothers.
Iran - 25% of the population is Turkish, mostly Azeri. They revolted with 20 thousand over an alleged negative labeling on TV against Turks a month ago.
Israel - Long time friends, business partners, allies. Trains Air Force pilots in the middle of Turkey, Konya, every year.
Russia - Other than Putin, Russians are all very good friends of us. We go vacations together with our Russian friends, especially in summer to places like Gocek, Fethiye, etc. One very good Russian friend of mine told me he doesn't prefer Uludag kind of skii resorts because it feels like Moscow So they usually go to places where the sun still shines even in the month of November. He also says most Russians always bring their own computers to where they go, so they can communicate with their elder family members who don't know other than Cyrillic. First 10 months of this year only 1.750 "properties" were sold to Russians in Turkey. There are 4 schools for education of children of the Russian families whose population increasing every year. One school is called "International Russian School in Antalya" (Международная русская школа в Антали&#1080. And guess what, Turks never treat them as Putin did to N. Ossetian children. That's why they are safe and very happy here, and they will always be !

Things are not like how they seem from LA I guess

 

Quick question to you turks and russians. Are there movements to restore the monarchies in your countries, and if so hoe popular are they? Is it even discussed or seen as an alternative to go back to monarchy? Do people have any love for nonarchy? Im just curious.

 

Good questions, thanks for asking. It is never discussed to bring an empire back in Turkey and such thing was never brought up officially by even the most conservative political parties so far. They rarely make political remarks to point out their heritage link to Ottoman Turks in efforts for attracting conservative voters, that's all. Only presidential system is being debated and I can tell the model will be the United States. How do I know it? Just by observing the "manipulated" change at the "caucuses" of the prominent political parties. I will mark again the George W. Bush's statement in 2004 during his short visit to Istanbul. After he told that Turkey would be role model for the entire Middle East and the Arab world in particular, the ruling party started gain more power while others "subjected" to change.

This change as I said above is largely manipulative. Leading opposition party(CHP) had been through a lot of crisis in its own caucus back in 2007, the year that all other opposition public and military figures started to get imprisoned over "then-proved" made up allegations and accusations. The most well known crisis for CHP had to suffer from was its leader's (Deniz Baykal) involvement in an alleged scandal in 2010. He had to resign in the aftermath of the scandal. Who was chosen for the party's leader? Kemal Kilicdaroglu, the person who long been professionally PRed before even the Baykal's scandal. Some moderate islamists even supported Mr. Kilicdaroglu when he got elected. Zaman for example one of the moderate conservative newspaper carried new CHP leaders' election victory to the headers, along with other religious-conservative media like Yeni Safak. These papers let alone headers, had barely been giving news about CHP when Baykal was the party leader.So, Kemal Kilicdaroglu, CHP's current leader was a product of a soft power political operation conducted upon the very strong Kemalist grassroots. In the mean time other opposition party's (MHP) leader Bahceli, was doing his job very well by keeping on a tight leash the party's conservative grassroots.

Let me tell you this before moving on, MHP's grassroots are so close to ruling AKP's now, however, there was a thicker line in between separating them 10 years ago. So before the change started in CHP, we had 3 major parties; AKP conservative religious and yes, shockingly "liberal", CHP Kemalist secular, and MHP conservative nationalist. After they got rid of Baykal, Kemal, the good shepherd took over and operate just as he is told. He moved the grassroots of Kemalist and secular CHP, with a huge media manipulation campaign, to a moderate secular leftist. MHP on the other hand with Bahceli has been having no problem with getting the party's grassroots as closer as it can to the AKP's line.Ruling AKP is getting a little more closer to the MHP by softening its "democrat" (a natural consequence of being liberal) image and by emphasizing more on "nationalist" discourses.

So before 2010 AKP had to fill the gap of a political party which needed to be seem conservative, liberal and democrat all at the same time because Turkey had no such political grassroots unlike the United States or EU. There are many reasons why but I can briefly say, it's mostly because lack of strong bourgeoisie and populace working class. There are reasons for why it lacks these but it is out of the subject now. So that gap had to be filled by AKP while at the same time turning others into desired political grounds accordingly.

Let me help you with having a clear view here:

What did we have before 2010:

AKP: Liberal conservative, liberal democrat, partly religious. Weak and less nationalist emphasis.

MHP: Conservative, secular mixed nationalist. Very weak and less democrat emphasis.

CHP: Kemalist, secular mixed nationalist. Very weak and less democrat emphasis.

So, We got CHP-MHP very close to each other, and ruling AKP was dressed as to play the role of both parties in the US system.

What do we have now:

AKP - More liberal conservative, less democratic, more nationalistic, and less religious emphasis. (Turkish GOP is locked&loaded)

MHP - Liberal conservative, added little democrat emphasis, less nationalistic, saying yes to AKP agenda all the time. (Ready to unify with AKP)

CHP - More liberal democrat, no Kemalist, less secular and nationalistic emphasis, more moderate toward religious issues (Turkish Democrats ready)

So we have more like what Americans have in the US. Two major liberal based parties with "supposed" different views. Actually one is more conservative, other is more democratic. The third (MHP) one is about to seize to exist. What a coincidence, the presidential system debate is getting more flurry after the elections in November.

Regards;

 

Currently Turkish Airforces heavily bombing ISIS positions in Iraq and Syria.

 

Thats what I heard