Turning Jesus into God

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God or Messenger of God .. does it matter ?

  1. Yes - it matters ..

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  2. No - it does not

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  3. Other - I don't understand the question .. need more information .. @#$% - does not compute !

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wouldn't say from the sky, but from different dimensions or existences. I don't see how anyone can visit us from another planet, without time taking its toll on them.
     
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    As did the doctors in the hospital and the atheist government.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can bend the space in front of you - creating a vortex which sucks you in behind it - in theory that is.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well if you feel LSD is the same, then stick to it.



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    Take that you fools of misery.
    For we as gods of lofty see,
    who practice ancient pagan rites
    to fuel our base and flagrant life.

    Are unlike you - such lowly fools
    who follow banal moral rules.
    We have our own within our stead

    of hubris and of bloated head.
    - Jeannette

     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the daily joke. I needed a good laugh.
     
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    AFAIK its the common usage of the time, same as the usage for JC
    How can space be bent? metal can be bent. bending space is right up there with time travel :roflol:
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We know space can be bent - gravity waves - and we see time dilation - as per the theory ... as in theoretically it is possible - and the fellow on Ancient Alien show thinks definitely it is possible :)
     
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    Well, I wouldn't use the term "bend". In theory, wormholes are created in 4 dimensional space when quantum entanglement meets general theory of relativity. However, even if wormholes predicted by the theory are a physical reality, the question is: could complex organisms enter and exit wormholes and still remain complex organisms?
     
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    thats a great way to show what you dont know. What makes you think that any of that has anything to do with properties of space?

    What do you think the properties of space are? List them please.
    and you can travel forward and backward in time too! LOL
    from a metaphysical model that fails for anyting faster than the speed of light, and SR cant come up with the same answer as R, to match real world time dialtion. Good ole fashioned newton and lorentz comes in to save the day!
     
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    "Bend - Fold" - there is no one word - and no good word :) I don't really like the term "wormhole" either but - I suppose it is good as any .

    The explanation you put out is not really an explanation .. QE - meets GTR . I could say "its when Harry met Sally" and have just as much meaning.

    and we can not talk about this defacto - as we don't understand this very well .. only recently starting to learn about some of the components of the fabric of space - "dark matter" "Gravitational Waves"

    The fellow that was tasked to reverse engineer the Roswell Wreckage - stated you needed Element 115 - don't quote on the number 113 .. matters not .. some Element - and then a device which focused this "wave" for lack of a better term . creating a perbetation - a void - but in a certain direction .. then like being sucked into a vacuum you are sucked that direction through space..

    Trying to remember this fellow's name .. but should be easy to find. There are many different descriptions - having taken Quantum in my 4th year - have a little understanding of what these folks are trying to describe - though they themselves have trouble .. and the explanations are different.
     
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    So Obtuse and disingenuous .... of course we don't know .. if we knew we would be doing it. We are just figuring out things about the Universe .. Gravitational waves .. Dark Matter - Energy.

    Yet .. somehow - you have everything all figured out already .. and worse - expect others to be at your level.

    Level of what being the rub.
     
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    Colonel Philip J. Corso?

    Here's a simple explanation:
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/12/link-between-wormholes-and-quantum-entanglement
     
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    space has no properties, just because matter that occupies some space, (like water) can be seen to form a vortex it does not mean you are viewing 'space'. Space cannot be physically warped. Not disingenuous at all. Whats disingenuous is how its taught as something physical, like the time travel stupidity. I time travel all the time, I rewind the video LOLOLOL
     
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    "Space has no Properties" - is not what science tells us. Outer Space is very cold for example.

    You have no clue what you are talking about - but speak as if you know defacto that what you say is true .. with such arrogance you spew these falsehoods .. and blubbering on about things you do not have the faintest understanding - as if you are some expert - .. and that is the disingenuous part.
     
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    not if you are in 'space' close to the sun, yes because this stuff is simple physics.
    case in point, you confuse dark matter with space, dark matter and space are two different things. How is it possible to have a wave with no media upon which the wave travels?
     
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    The only one who is confused is you .. as I made no claim that they were the same - although they are part of the same fabric of space.

    In any case ... you are way too disingenuous "Its hot close to the Sun" Really Sherlock - and in other places space is cold - but in either case - space has properties - contradicting your Defacto Claim - that space has no properties.
     
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    Its defacto fact lol, not a 'claim'.
    you dont understand that if your body occupies space near the sun why its hot near the sun?
    of course you did. you cant say 'space' warps then later claim the 'stuff' in space warps, folds, bends and pretend you did not say 'space'. space and stuff in space are entirely two different things.

    this is old science

    “I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. ... Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing.

    Quote by Nikola Tesla: “I hold that space cannot be curved, for ...
     
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    Eventually einee was forced to agree with tesla

    ....space without the 'ether' is unthinkable, for in such a space there would not only be no propagation of light, but no possibility of existence for standards of space and time nor any spacetime intervals in the physical sense. Einstein, University of Leyden.

    space has no properties, its not a claim, its a fact. ...and even when the point was forced upon him he paints a foggy pseudo version of reality to protect his 'metaphysics'.

    space and time do not warp or bend etc
     
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    turn on your tv, and not to a channel from a station. What do you hear?
     
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    nickelback
     
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    that's your radio. tune between stations, now what do you hear?
     
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    no, its my tv, there is no between stations.
     
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    You can blubber on about what you think or about what others think till the cow's come home. This will not change the fact that outer space - the space between us and another planet - has properties.

    This is the conversation we are having - traveling through "Space"

    Now maybe you are referring to a different kind of "Space" - but the space that is being referred to here, has properties.

    Your claim that it does not have properties - is false.
     
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    this is aq battle you are truly unprepared for.
     

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