Turning Jesus into God

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Giftedone, Feb 16, 2021.

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God or Messenger of God .. does it matter ?

  1. Yes - it matters ..

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  2. No - it does not

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  3. Other - I don't understand the question .. need more information .. @#$% - does not compute !

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well - we are talking Time Travel - so think you may have had a little to do with this rabbit hole.

    but - while we are down here .. let us talk - as civilized people do. What is being described her is the space in between space..

    Now - every time you introduce matter into that space - the space is curved a bit - and the theory is that the curvature is what creates gravity. The bigger the mass - the bigger the curvature - the bigger the gravity.

    When we are talking gravity waves .. we are not talking about "Gravity" in this way - - its this wave created by a massive curvature a massive gravity wave - - think of it as a pin prick in the space -Time continuum - and boom - it sends out this shock wave which sends ripples through the whole fabric.

    This was predicted by Einstein and so on .. this way of looking at things .. accounts for the time dilation as you move faster - that we have to account for in our modern GPS systems.

    Now obviously "Time Travel" is still the stuff of Science Fiction - that said .. there are some interesting hypothesis - and things that are perhaps possible .. and even predicted .. such as wormholes ..

    and still we are just discovering the mechanisms .. what is with this Dark-Energy .. Dark-Matter we just discovered . way above Steven Hawkings pay grade some of this stuff .. its like Huh ??? Where did this stuff come from .. in the last few decades.

    In any case - I did do some quantum in my 4th year .. and this stuff is very unusual - challenges the normal perspective of reality .. hence terms like "spooky action at a distance" .. that must be how universal cell phones work :)
     
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    It's all well written in the Bible. We are made in our Father's Image. God is partial to His people who follow his commandments. He established Israel as an example. Zion is where the pure in heart dwell. So, those who are, are a part of Israel. He is partial to those who keep his commandments and willing to destroy everyone else. He has and will continue to. Jesus was perfect. We are not. But, through his Atoning Sacrifice as our Savior and Redeemer, we can become perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect. Jesus was Jehovah and came down to receive a body and atone for our sins. So, no, Jesus is not just like us. It's all in the Bible...
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But can you point out the place(s) in the Bible
    where Jesus claims he is different than the rest of us?

    Because if he did not say that....then it's probably not true.
     
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    It’s because we can’t comprehend it. Doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen. Have you read “Flatland”? It’s basically the story of a person in our world (3D) traveling through various other dimensions, considering the problems that would arise from such travel. The 3D person travels to 2D world and makes a friend. The 2D person can only perceive an ever-changing slice of the 3D person. If you ask the 3D person, “which way is up?” We all know that he would point above his head (z axis). But you ask the 2D person the same question, he’ll either point along the x or y axis. The 2D person has no concept of the z axis. The two of them are walking in 2D world and they come to a very long line. For the 2D person, it would take him days to walk around it. The 3D person simply steps over it. In that act, he disappears from view in the 2D world and them magically appears on the other side. Miracles of miracles! The 2D person asks the 3D person how he was able to do this? the 3D person replies that he just stepped over. That is a concept that the 2D person cannot comprehend. The 2D person brings the 3D person to his home. Still curious about this strange power of his friend and before entering the house. He asks the 3D person to tell him what page the book is opened to on the table in his bedroom. The 3D person can easily tell him that. How did he do that?



    The point is that GOD exists in a dimension beyond our comprehension. There exists concepts and customs that are completely alien to us. Prey, sacrifice, sit are all functions of the Trinity beyond our plane of existence.
     
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    If they are "beyond our plane of existence" as you claim.....
    then how can you claim they exist?
     
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    How could the 2D person perceive the 3D person? There is some small aspect that is perceivable. I understand that I can’t fully comprehend it. Just as the 2D person couldn’t understand what “to step over” meant. Like the shadows off the cube, they are real but not tangible, yet that is what we interact with. When you say, “look at that shadow”, someone would reply “what shadow?” It’s something individual and personable. Only you can see ‘that’ shadow. Everyone sees a different shadow.
     
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    excuse me WHAT???
     
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    I don't suppose that it would help you to read my article #18 in this thread??
     
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    Because we can't comprehend [something] does not provide a basis for asserting that [something] exists.
     
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    I just read your post #18....it is an interesting idea yes...
    but still just another story created by humans.
    All of the spiritual practices point....but not all of them point to a separate God.
    You are placing limits where there are none.
     
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    I just read it again. You have creatively added some theory to some mythology. there is no real logic or structure to any of it, so outside of being general fiction it cannot be taken as a possibility.
     
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    neither gravity nor mass warps space LOL
     
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    Your reading comprehension is lacking - it was not claimed that gravity curves space.

    The Physicists however do believe that mass curves space and this is what creates gravity.
     
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    Einstein thought that indeed mass did curve space.

    Albert Einstein explained how gravity is more than just a force: it is a curvature in the space-time continuum. That sounds like something straight out of science fiction, but simply put, the mass of an object causes the space around it to essentially bend and curve. This is often portrayed as a heavy ball sitting on a rubber sheet, and other smaller balls fall in towards the heavier object because the rubber sheet is warped from the heavy ball’s weight.

    In reality, we can’t see curvature of space directly, but we can detect it in the motions of objects. Any object ‘caught’ in another celestial body’s gravity is affected because the space it is moving through is curved toward that object. It is similar to the way a coin would spiral down one of those penny slot cyclone machines you see at tourist shops, or the way bicycles spiral around a velodrome.

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    From the link you posted....

    "The cosmic microwave background blankets the universe and is responsible for a sizeable amount of static on your television set--well, before the days of cable. Turn your television to an "in between" channel, and part of the static you'll see is the afterglow of the big bang."

    How is it possible to tune a TV to an "in between" channel?
    On the really old TV's maybe you could.....
    it's possible on a radio...but how on a TV?
     
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    Compare that illustration to a solar system....and looks like a disaster waiting to happen
     
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    From the link you posted....

    "The cosmic microwave background blankets the universe and is responsible for a sizeable amount of static on your television set--well, before the days of cable. Turn your television to an "in between" channel, and part of the static you'll see is the afterglow of the big bang."

    How is it possible to tune a TV to an "in between" channel?
    On the really old TV's maybe you could.....
    it's possible on a radio...but how on a TV?
     
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    Is this question about the existence of cosmic microwave background noise or how to find it on a tv?
     
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    If microwaves....or anything else, moves through outer space or is present in any space...
    inner or outer...how does that prove space itself is not totally and completely empty?
     
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    It does indeed matter. It truly makes a difference if someone is an ambassador or the King himself. :)
     
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    I'm asking how to find it on a TV.
    You see the article you linked to had a disclaimer attached....
    Disclaimer: This material is being kept online for historical purposes. Though accurate at the time of publication, it is no longer being updated. The page may contain broken links or outdated information, and parts may not function in current web browsers.

    Since it doesn't seem possible to tune a newer TV to an "in between" station...

    I'm wondering how old that article is.
     
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    according to the date it seems that was published in 2006, but it's clearly still true today. as far as a modern tv is concerned if there are no inputs selected or streamed my 2 week old samsung will show the static in glorious 65" fashion.
     
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    I'll take your word for that...mine just says "station unavailable" and a blank silent screen.
    But how does having static on any receiver prove the non-existence of empty space?
     
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    That's a good question. I believe that our friends at NASA are simply explaining the reason behind the static we hear, I don't see any statement regarding the proving of non-existence of empty space.
     
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    Sorry....I was referring to the arguments below....

    I believe Koko is correct...space itself is empty
     

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