Turns out we don't have to avoid cholesterol

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  1. Rainbow Crow

    Rainbow Crow New Member Past Donor

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    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/a-big-fat-surprise-for-dietary-dogma/article23440389/
    Turns out, fat people are just fat. Possibly they became fatter because they believed in some bunk science about cholesterol. Who would have guessed? It sounds a lot like global warming. It's not like an entire branch of science could be wrong just because the opposite of what they're saying should happen is happening, right?
     
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    My spouse went by all those reccs and ended up blowing up like a blimp and is now on dialysis. Why? From above-mentioned source:

    "It gets worse. Obviously, if you cut down on one food, you have to replace it with something else. Over the past 30 years, we’ve replaced “bad” foods like red meat, milk, eggs and butter with grains, pasta, starchy vegetables and refined carbohydrates laced with sugar. These foods turn out to be even worse. They’re the reason that rates of obesity, diabetes and heart disease are soaring. In other words, the diet advice we’ve been force-fed all our lives has actually made us fatter and sicker."

    I never bought into all of it and am much healthier at this point than my obedient spouse. I did try to warn them, but they believe professionals over me....:frown:
     
  3. wgabrie

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    I wonder what's the next food boondoggle to happen?
     
  4. dairyair

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    If you can't read the ingredient list in 5 seconds or can't pronounce the words, best not to eat it.

    Eat natural unprocessed foods.
     
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    What happens when your veins plug up?

    Probably cigarettes.
     
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    If you get soluble fiber in your diet it'll scrub out your blood vessels.
     
  7. waltky

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    Vaccine is cheaper than other drugs...
    :cool:
    Vaccine reduces cholesterol in mice, monkeys
    Nov. 10, 2015 - Researchers said the vaccine is as effective as two other new treatments, but a fraction of their cost.
    See also:

    Belly fat in normal weight people more deadly than obesity
    Nov. 10, 2015 - Because abdominal fat may wrap around organs inside the body, it's full effect on health may not be considered by doctors because it is centralized in one area.
     
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    I wonder if there's been a study on calories per day. Maybe it's not what one eats, but how much in a given day, and how much activity one has.
    Count a sugary soda as a desert. Eat a sandwich without fries.
     
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    There has been research showing people who eat steak constantly have lower cholesterol but that is because they are high-activity level ranchers.

    I always eat my sandwiches open faced to cut the bread in half.
     
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    I have been lecturing and teaching people for 40 years that the low cholesterol diet is quackery, and does not address the underlying truth.
     
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    I like the "Rush Limbaugh" explanation, from many years ago....."Everyone that dies, had eaten carrots sometime in their life".

    I understand obesity is a problem, but I've never known an overweight person, that didn't over indulge in some form of eating. I understand some people are prone to being fat, but they never seem to show up in group pictures of people in many places, that simply have trouble paying for food.

    Smoking was bad for you, people quit smoking, gained wait and now diabetes is the culprit, even though smoking pot is apparently not harmful. IMO, it's simply a persons genetic background and lifestyle that are the culprits.
     
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    I have a sis in law, at 44 yrs old, had a heart attack. In the hospital at the time of treatment of the heart attack, her cholesterol number was 145. Pretty darn low. Did not prevent the heart attack.
     
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    This kind of misinformation is how we end up with an obesity problem. A couple of eggs for breakfast is about 1/3 of daily recommended fat. There are better sources of protein.
     
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    Why would a low number prevent a heart attack? Low cholesterol count simply removes one of many potential causes, it doesn't prevent anything. What was her blood pressure, family history etc?
     
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    'Everything in moderation, young Master Cerberus!' as my nanny used to say as she dandled me on her knee.
     
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    Some so-called good cholesterol may be bad...
    :confusion:
    Scientists Find 'Good' Cholesterol Can Sometimes Be Bad
    March 10, 2016 — So-called "good" cholesterol may actually increase heart attack risks in some people, researchers said Thursday, a discovery that casts fresh doubt on drugs designed to raise it.
     
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    You can be thin as a rake and still have dangerously high cholesterol.
     
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    I had high cholesterol. So did my father and my two brothers. My father died from a heart attack. I had two heart attacks, the second resulting in a double-bypass. So far my two brothers are okay. We're all on statins and are careful with our diet. Call it quackery if you like, I'll stick with the evidence.
     
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    which may soon be genetically modified foods, lets hope they have to be labeled as such
     
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    GMO Foods are not a health issue as most American's have been eating GMO Foods for decades with no adverse health effects.

    Health issues exist in crops that use heavy Pesticide Use as well as Heavy Metal absorption.

    You basically have the choice of either Pesticides or GMO's...and GMO's are much less of a health risk.

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    I think like smoking, cholesterol may effect some differently, all depends on the genes, not as simple as giving a blanket warning

    over consumption of anything is bad though in my opinion, moderation is best

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    Some people are genetically disposed so that they can smoke 3 packs of unfiltered Camel Cigarettes for 70 years and they are 90 years old and going strong!!

    Then you have people who took in second hand smoke for a few years and developed Lung Cancer!!

    Some people can handle toxicity better than others.

    But as far as what foods are healthiest.....Human Beings cannot process machine milled ultra-fine flours as this stuff turns directly into Artery Clogging Cholesterol in the bloodstream.

    High Fructose products and high simple sugar products do the same.

    Cholesterol in the foods a person eats DO NOT turn into Cholesterol in the body.

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    BS, no one got lung cancer from being around second hand smoke for two years, they just got lung cancer and some tried to blame it on 2nd hand smoke

    fact is, lung cancer would still exist if everyone in the world quit smoking.... they would just have to find something new they hated to blame it on.. cell phones maybe, can hear it now, people complaining about being near your transmitter device casing them cancer

    no unless you put them in a box, filled it with second hand smoke so thick you could cut it with a knife and refused to let them out

    it's kinda like when they said sugar substitutes caused cancer, then finally admitted if you ate tons of it, more then was realistic to consume

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    Does exposure to secondhand smoke cause cancer?


    Yes. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the U.S. National Toxicology Program, the U.S. Surgeon General, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer have all classified secondhand smoke as a known human carcinogen (a cancer-causing agent) (1, 3, 5, 7).

    Inhaling secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in nonsmoking adults (4, 5). Approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths occur each year among adult nonsmokers in the United States as a result of exposure to secondhand smoke (2). The U.S. Surgeon General estimates that living with a smoker increases a nonsmoker’s chances of developing lung cancer by 20 to 30 percent (4).

    Some research also suggests that secondhand smoke may increase the risk of breast cancer, nasal sinus cavity cancer, and nasopharyngeal cancer in adults and the risk of leukemia, lymphoma, and brain tumors in children (4). Additional research is needed to learn whether a link exists between secondhand smoke exposure and these cancers.

    LINK....http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/tobacco/second-hand-smoke-fact-sheet

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    not unless you put them in a box, filled it with second hand smoke so thick you could cut it with a knife and refused to let them out

    the longest people to have lived... ironically are smokers... but lets not get too far off topic

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

    "Calment smoked cigarettes from the age of 21 (1896) to 117 (1992)" <--- lucky she was never around any 2nd hand smoke, that stuff will kill ya

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