Two accidentally shot in church while discussing church shootings

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  1. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    well the guy should get a darwin award for his negligence.
     
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    First day on this message board, huh? Both sides routinely cheer for the injury and demise of the other.
     
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    willburroughs Well-Known Member

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    This dipsh1t is obviously not, in any way, indicative of the average gun holder. That being said, I disagree with Zorro's assertion that the grief he will endure at the hands of his wife should take care of the situation. Whatever local and state laws this guy broke, he should be held accountable to them, to the fullest extent.
     
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    Children are children, ain't a whole lot of gangbangers who are kids, nor a lot of urban gangs in those States highlighted
     
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    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    Firearm accidents don't actually kill that many people as a percent of the population and its only about a few hundred a year in a nation with 300,000,000 people.
     
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    Ah, no, let's have sensible gun regulation because 30,000+ Americans die from gun violence a year, 9,000+ gun homicides.

    And incase you never noticed, cars are a necessity, and are regulated to include registration, liscenses, and liability insurance.
     
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    30,000+ a year', 9,000+ homicides "aren't many people?" Compared to any other developed nation in the world it is an embarassment
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you really think even banning guns will stop 22,000 suicides, less than half of the total 44,000+ annual suicides?

    https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
    Each year 44,193 Americans die by suicide

    In 2015, firearms were the most common method of death by suicide, accounting for a little less than half (49.8%) of all suicide deaths. The next most common methods were suffocation (including hangings) at 26.8% and poisoning at 15.4%.

    Cars are not a necessity nor is driving a right. Public transportation and using professionals such as Cab/Uber-style car pooling can do the same job. You're excusing over 30,000 deaths because it's convenient for you to drive your own car.
     
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    30,000 includes all gun deaths not just accidents. 11,000 are homicides, 21,000 are suicides, and only 500 are accidents. The US suicide rate is actually on par with other countries and we are using guns to commit them while in other countries they find other ways. If we take the guns away criminals will just find other ways to kills or just hide their guns and get them illegally like drugs.
     
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    Age may be a factor here.

    Honestly, what he did was incredibly stupid, and possible grounds for confiscation, but jail time? :eek:
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    Gangs are everywhere, and comprised of HUGE numbers of minors.
     
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    We have THOUSANDS of gun laws now - you want MORE? :eek:

    And cars aren't a necessity, and they're not constitutionally guaranteed.
     
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    Beat me to it on the car thing. :)
     
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    True. Sadly, over 3,500 Americans drown each year, about 700 of them under age 14. Now tell me that's okay because you think swimming pools are a necessity and you find it convenient to have your own pool.

    https://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html
    How big is the problem?
    • From 2005-2014, there were an average of 3,536 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day.1 An additional 332 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents.2
    • About one in five people who die from drowning are children 14 and younger.1 For every child who dies from drowning, another five receive emergency department care for nonfatal submersion injuries.1
    • More than 50% of drowning victims treated in emergency departments (EDs) require hospitalization or transfer for further care (compared with a hospitalization rate of about 6% for all unintentional injuries).1,2 These nonfatal drowning injuries can cause severe brain damage that may result in long-term disabilities such as memory problems, learning disabilities, and permanent loss of basic functioning (e.g., permanent vegetative state).3,4
     
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    Swimming pools have other purposes than killing people.
     
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    I think to many people buy guns out of fear, don't take the time to learn gun safety and then they are the ones that have accidents.
     
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    Hooray for pointing at an anecdote and pretending it is representative. That always works.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So do guns. What's your point?

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    No.

    Guns are made to kill.

    And that's why they must be strictly regulated. More than they are today.

    If drowning becomes a social problem -or if it becomes possible to kill dozens of innocents with his swimming pool - the safety standards surrounding it would be strengthened.

    And not a single Cons would see it as an attack on his liberties.
     
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    An NRA instructor would have trained the gun owner to keep it concealed and treat it as if it was loaded.

    And if you remove gang violence and suicide, whats left? I have had access to guns since I was 9 and knew to treat them as if they were loaded.
     
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    Mass shootings, think Vegas and Texas, happens nearly every other week in America

    I never had nor desired access to guns, and I see no reason for anyone outside of an avid hunter to posses one today. And before you draw conclusions, I did qualify on five weapons in the Army, so I am familiar with them
     
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    When I was a small child, my mom and I heard gun shots. I called the police and as the phone rang, there was what sounded like a gang fight right in front of our home. They came right up the the house and were right outside our window. This went on for at least 10 minutes and we were scared. The police never answered. Luckily, none of them needed a hostage for when the police finally came.

    Is the life of my mother and I a good enough reason?
     
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    No, we only laugh,like most people do, when someone does something that's truly stupid.
     
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    Yeah, a lot of people buy guns to train for the Olympics

    Hunting might be legitimate, especially in certain States, but packing for daily life makes zero sense, as the dimwit in the Church did, and I don't believe one needs an AR15 to go hunting
     
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    And had you had a gun then and got into a shoot out with the gang do you think the consequences would have been the same?

    Are such occurrences common in your neighborhood today?
     

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