Two biracial Abolitionists from different centuries, both conceived in rape

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  1. kazenatsu

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    Ryan Bomberger


    posted: July 19, 2020


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    The following speech was delivered in Lincoln Park, D.C., July 14, at the Center for Urban Renewal and Education's 'Emancipation Celebration Rally' to Defend the Emancipation Memorial.

    I actually can't believe I'm standing in the very same place that my childhood hero—Frederick Douglass—once stood to praise this very memorial.

    Like Douglass, I have a passion for words. Words can change everything. God spoke the world and Life into existence…with words. Now that's revolutionary. Like Douglass, I too am "biracial" with black and white biological parents.

    Like Douglass, I too was conceived in rape. I was adopted and loved by two amazing parents—who happen to be white. My mom is the one who taught me about Frederick Douglass, Benjamin Banneker, Harriet Tubman and George Washington Carver.


    An avid reader herself, she provided me books about these and many more victors because she understood I wasn't a victim. Like Douglass, I was humanly unplanned. But the circumstances of our conception don't change the condition of our worth. And the condition of our beautiful pigmentation doesn't change the circumstances of our equality.​


    The rest can be read here: https://townhall.com/columnists/rya...ed-the-lincoln-emancipation-memorial-n2572610
     
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    Was that before, or after, the riot mobs tore down the statue of Frederick Douglass?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Valid point. But this thread is posted in the Abortion section, so let's focus on that aspect of the story, if we may.
     
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    Sounds like "Promoting Rape" !!!
     
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    Rape resulting in pregnancy is bad. But it doesn't have to result in death.
     
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    Well, that's a pretty twisted take.

    He was actually promoting the value of life....including his.
     
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    Rape resulting in pregnancy is bad ? In YOUR OP you seem to glorify it....as if it was a good thing....
     
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    Why IS it in the abortion forum? No one was aborted, the poor woman had to have her rapist's baby...it's sick to glorify it.
     
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    I didn't know there still were abolitionists in 2020 (???)
     
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    There are. Today they are against abortion.
     
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    What makes you think all women want to abort the life that's growing inside them, just because it resulted from rape?

    Are you aware, half of all women in these situations choose life?
     
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    I didn't see where in your OP the person said they were against abortion.


    Why IS it in the abortion forum? No one was aborted, the poor woman had to have her rapist's baby...it's sick to glorify it.

    kazenatsu said:
    Rape resulting in pregnancy is bad. But it doesn't have to result in death.""""
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    Rape resulting in pregnancy is bad ? In YOUR OP you seem to glorify it....as if it was a good thing....
     
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    I don't...what makes you think I do ???




    ..and the other half chose not to be punished for being raped for the rest of their lives...so ?


    Did you see that word in your comment that righties aren't supposed to use ? The word is "choose"..... ;)

    That is the KEY word...women can CHOOSE....if righties have their way women would lose the right to choose , they would be slaves.
     
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    Perhaps, if you stop a moment and think about it, she CHOSE to have the baby.

    That's what choice is. You may not agree with it, but Pro Choice is not Pro Abortion.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Why IS it in the abortion forum? No one was aborted, the poor woman had to have her rapist's baby...it's sick to glorify it.


    A. We don't know that...we don't even know if this guys mother was really raped.

    B. IF she CHOSE then that's a good thing....righties want to take that choice away.

    That's why they post silly articles trying to say, "Look, this person turned out fine so let's ban abortion and force women to gestate"




    :) That's hilarious...tell that to the righties who insist being for women's right to choose is "pro-abortion":...

    I have had a hell of a time trying to explain that it really is Pro-Choice...


    It's the Anti-Choicers who are against choice...
     
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    Your automatic assumption that she was 'forced' to gestate, is not the normal position of someone who actually is pro-choice.

    Long before abortion was legal, women had them, so assuming she was forced to give birth is, IMO, just wanting to cause a ruckus.

    I am very much Pro-choice, but I am NOT pro-abortion. I don't have the right to make that choice for anyone.

    See the difference?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Why IS it in the abortion forum? No one was aborted, the poor woman had to have her rapist's baby...it's sick to glorify it.

    A. We don't know that...we don't even know if this guys mother was really raped.

    B. IF she CHOSE then that's a good thing....righties want to take that choice away.

    That's why they post silly articles trying to say, "Look, this person turned out fine so let's ban abortion and force women to gestate"

    :) That's hilarious...tell that to the righties who insist being for women's right to choose is "pro-abortion":...

    I have had a hell of a time trying to explain that it really is Pro-Choice...


    It's the Anti-Choicers who are against choice...

    ,

    Your automatic assumption that I said she was forced is silly since I never said that.

    Ya know, it appears you didn't even read the post of mine you quoted.....certainly didn't answer my question.






    Which is why I didn't say it.




    Which is why I didn't say it.

    HOWEVER, the OP assumed that the raped women had a choice....and that isn't clear at all.



    Uh, in the post of mine you quoted , BUT didn't READ, I stated:

    That's hilarious...tell that to the righties who insist being for women's right to choose is "pro-abortion":...

    I have had a hell of a time trying to explain that it really is Pro-Choice...
     
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    Was there a POINT to this OP with regard to abortion since it IS in the abortion forum but doesn't contain the word abortion
     
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    It implies the topic abortion, since pro-choicers are always telling everyone women need to get abortions because they were raped.

    That should have been obvious. Maybe you're a little slow today, Fox?


    (Not to mention the connection between equality, civil rights, and abortion, but that's another story... )
     
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    NO, they do not NOT!


    SHOW posters who said women who get raped NEED to get an abortion.

    I NEVER HAVE.


    See, your premise has been just smashed to the ground....maybe you need to pick up a little speed ??



    I could be sound asleep and faster than you.




    OH , let's mention it !!! Let's try SOME tie in to abortion since this IS the ABORTION Forum .

    Yes, women are EQUAL, have EQUAL rights including the right of bodily autonomy.

    SOME factions want to take away women's civil rights ….that is certainly a bad thing...

    It's a good thing the mother in your OP wasn't FORCED to have an abortion.

    If women lose the right to bodily autonomy they can be FORCED to abort...
     
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    Your words, since you seem to have a short memory span....

    FoxHastings said:
    Why IS it in the abortion forum? No one was aborted, the poor woman had to have her rapist's baby...it's sick to glorify it.

    No, she didn't have to. The end of your sentence supports, in no uncertain terms, that you believe she was forced to have the baby. You allow no room for the idea that perhaps she CHOSE to have the baby. Your statement is absolute.
     
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    LOl! You sure love to belabor a meaningless point...bored? Or just don't have a good comment?

    Here is a statement that you need, obviously , to ignore to have some weird point "" :B. IF she CHOSE then that's a good thing....""

    She has to have had the baby since it wasn't aborted.


    BYE
     
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    OH, here's another connection to abortion:

    IF women are denied the right to bodily autonomy as the righties wants to do by banning abortion then they will be SLAVES.

    Slaves were denied the right to bodily autonomy and that is EXACTLY what righties want to do with women.


    Hey , you DID tie it into abortion afterall….
     
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    Words have meaning. You spent the time to dissect, insert some sort of response and deny, deny, deny.

    Not my problem if you can't see the impact of your own words, and even attempting a circular logic, wow, I must have touched a raw spot.
     
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    Yes, and you can't seem to decipher them correctly.
     

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