Two biracial Abolitionists from different centuries, both conceived in rape

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    NO, what he posted was :
    btthegreat said:
    The woman who has been raped deserves a right to do what she thinks she is able, what she thinks is best for herself, her family and that fetus,
     
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  2. FoxHastings

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    No, but the FACT is that ALL women are different despite righties insisting they are cattle and all alike because they are female.

    AL rapes are different....did you know some women are killed in a rape ?

    Rape is torture.

    Some women are beaten almost to death, stabbed , shot.

    Some women are in comas.

    Women do not react to rape exactly the same way, they are individuals despite what righties say.

    They are traumatized and some are not all are able to think clearly and rationally immediately after such an horrendous event.

    MOST people tend to be kind to them, treat them with respect, allow them to heal, allow them to make heir own decisions since they are HUMANS with rights and NOT cattle that needs to be controlled as righties think..

    Ya, I know you'll ignore all that because controlling women is the theme but you, as usual, can't refute it ..
     
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  3. FoxHastings

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    The love, kindness, decency, thoughtfulness and respect you showed your wife is to be deeply commended.

    Too bad it can't rub off on some others..
     
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    That doesn't mean YOU get to think for her!!
     
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    Nor will 9 months of gestation and the further damage that will do to her body.





    Where TF do you get the idea that women need to "justify" their decision to have an abortion????


    They don't...simple as that, they don't.
     
  6. Doofenshmirtz

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    It is only acceptable to think for her if she wanted to carry a gun to prevent the rape in the first place.

    (Democrats have made it a felony to exercise second amendment rights, but claim to value her right to her own body and mind.)
     
  7. FoxHastings

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    I am sorry you don't understand bodily autonomy ….and I won't get on your "guns are everything" hobbyhorse.....
     
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    The claim that your party stands up for a womans right over body is as false as the other party's claim they value these precious little lives. The constitution is not a hobby horse.
     
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  10. FoxHastings

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    Obviously a simple right like "bodily autonomy" cannot be understood by some.....and never will
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A woman has every right not to get impregnated in the first place if she doesn't want to.

    Nobody disagrees with that.
     
  12. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said:
    Obviously a simple right like "bodily autonomy" cannot be understood by some.....and never will


    Then why TF did you post it?

    It certainly has NOTHING to do with the post of mine you quoted...but thanks for

    proving that post correct : ""Obviously a simple right like "bodily autonomy" cannot be understood by some.....and never will"""
     
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    Has it occurred to you, that forcing women to make this call around your favorite timetable, will increase the number of these women who choose to terminate? ' To use your language, language you might just understand that I don't personally agree with, my ex wife and I saved an innocent life' that might have been 'euthanized' because I encouraged her to take her time, not worry about me, and think this through. There were reasons she was pro-life before this attack. I gave her a chance to remember what those reasons were, because I did not want her to 'do me any favors' that might actually harm her more. I cannot believe the crap you are giving me. We raised a beautiful boy, and we are happy. But I won't let you trap me into turning him or my ex wife into some pro-life argument on this forum. Choice worked.
    Time worked. Patience worked. Judgement, sanctimony and narrow-mindedness do not work in situations like this.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wait, you're saying your wife did not abort? I must have completely misunderstood you then.

    Or I'm having a really hard time understanding what you're saying now.
     
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    See what happens when you don't bother to read the posts you quote?

    Post # 31 makes it quite clear that she didn't abort......good grief!
     
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    No. We have an 18 year old son out of this pregnancy ( who I refused to get tested. Have no idea the biology) Its exactly the result you would want. Let me tell you how I did this . She was talking abortion. I knew this was trauma talking. I said we would do what ever she wanted, but we had to 'research' the options. First week was an adoption appointment, but it got canceled. Second week we went to a catholic 'pro life' support agency. It was a disaster. She was revolted by the 'hard sell', the pictures, the videos, the pressure, the guilt trip etc and we left. The next week. We went to Planned Parenthood. You know the folks you guys say are pushing for abortion? Well this nurse was professional, and clinical - describing this procedure, absolutely objective but compassionate. She encouraged my ex to take some more time. We left, and before we got to the car, My then wife was telling me she could not have an abortion, no matter what.
    I said "fine. No abortion. Next we can go back to the adoption appointment"

    She said, " no. I can't give up a baby"
    I said " ok we will keep the baby"
    She asked if I would leave her and our kids if the baby did not look like me and was not mine.
    I said, " Then I will make it mine." She needed to know that her whole family would not be destroyed and she needed to see that in my face!

    My point is sometimes you folks are shooting yourselves in the foot with the guilt trip, the religion, and the very photos that you wanted me to stare at. We already saw those. Women need time to heal, space and practical answers, not guilt. Planned Parenthood was prepared to give her, what that catholic agency was not. PP saved this 'life' and I owe them big time.

    All I really cared about was that this woman who was a shadow of herself, completely uncommunicative for more than a month, wake up enough to feel the support around her. .
     
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    :) Can't address posts in this thread? So start another wacky premise thread and hope no one notices you have no answers?

    Wait,.... ;)
     
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    It's great that these two men lived lives that made a difference. But it has nothing to do with whether any specific woman should choose birth or abortion.
     
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    That's true...it has nothing to do with abortion at all....the "Abortion Forum" seems to be a catch all for crazy and off topic ideas...
     
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    So, rape that doesn't result in pregnancy is not bad?
     
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    It's not as bad.
     
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    And the women decided to have the babies.....it's called choice.
     
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    Very true. None of them value life since both are absolutely clueless on what life actually is. They have zero respect for individual rights and do not understand the meaning of happiness.

    "Pro Lifers" base their belief on religious whim and mystic superstations which they spice up with altruism where a woman is supposed to sacrifice her actual life for a potential human being "because God said so".

    "Pro Choicers" lack the ability to make a moral argument for the choice of abortion because they neglect morals and view them as relative nonsense. They do not know what "choice" it is they are defending and only use it arbitrarily, parroting the collectivist talking-points of deluded Feminists; "Woman's right to choose!" Right to choose what and why?
     
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    You cannot possibly be serious.
     
  25. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you ignore the wider context within which I gave that statement.

    Yes, I am serious. Now go back and look at the context.
     
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