Two Questions for Obama Fans

I have two very simple questions. Question 1 - Why do you think Obama will not allow our Southwest border to be secured in accordance with Federal law? Question 2 - Do you see any negative impact to our country from the ongoing invasion of illegals from Mexico and Central America?

Can any of you liberals answer these question without talking about George Bush, playing the race card, or replying with off topic posts? My guess is probably not.

 

How is President Obama not allowing our SW border to be secured- and in accordance with which Federal law?

While I do not believe that our borders are nearly secure enough- our borders are more secure than they have been in the past. The primary reason our SW border is not entirely secure is the reluctance by Congress to appropriate the funds necessary to do so, and by Congress to take the necessary steps to deal with Illegal immigration.

There is both negative and positive impacts from our illegal immigration issue.

On the negative side is the impact on wages- since we have not seriously addressed illegal immigration, illegal immigrants have moved beyond the manual jobs that go largely unclaimed otherwise, such as agriculture- into the semi and skilled labor pools in construction and other trades. Texas is a prime example of that- the reason why homes are cheap in Texas is because they are all built with illegal labor, hired by good Conservative construction company owners.

This is not to blame those conservatives- they would go out of business if any one of them failed to compete with the others.

On the plus side- home buyers have cheap homes in Texas because of cheap illegal labor.

This is playing out all across America.

I have seen almost no interest by either the Conservatives or Liberals on really dealing with the issue of Illegal immigration- mostly I see both sides trying to use the idea of the issue to posture to their base- Conservatives love cheap illegal labor- and love blaming illegal immigration on Democrats. Liberals love the idea of supporting the disinfranchised- and love blaming the Republicans to make them look bad to the hispanic Americans.

Now- can Conservatives carry on a conversation about immigration without blaming liberals and Democrats? My guess is probably not.

 

Very few would be willing to be honest about this, but the truth for both of these questions - 1) they want more non-white voters who historically and culturally vote for big Government policies. This will allow them to win every national election from here on out. 2) Many are oblivious, but the politically aware ones that you see on this board and in society see plenty of negative impact, but they don't care. They consider themselves part of the liberal elite, and they personally live nowhere near areas that would be affected by this sudden demographic change. Most live in mostly middle-to-upper class white majority neighborhoods, most are college educated, most have some form of union protected job security, and almost all are in no danger of having their jobs being threatened by the 20-30 million additional workers that they want to throw into the labor market. As an added bonus to these progressives, they imagine that poor working class whites in red states, who are their political enemies, are going to be the ones who suffer the most under these policies, so there's a lot of spite behind this, as well.

 

Answer to question one: The continued influx of millions of immigrants translates into votes for the Democratic Party.

Answer to question two: The ever-increasing infestation of immigrants will have a negative impact only on ... Republicans.

 

I will provide one example of lack of law enforcement via the link below. With respect to conservatives, for the most part they are equally guilty IMHO. As you say they want cheap labor.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2013/12/19/judge-hanen-order-on-child-smuggling/

 

Then why are you trying to blame everything on liberals?

 

Rather the impact will be on those that pay taxes and those seeking blue collar jobs.

 

I don't. I just don't understand why liberals accept everything Obama does. I would have some respect for the left if they continued to question authority as was advocated in the past. Now the left does not question any aspect of what the federal government or Obama does.

 

You challenged me- present your argument cogently- you don't have to just quote Fox News- tell me what Obama specifically is doing that is not allowing our border to be secure.

 

Sadly, democrats dont care about either of those two groups. They only want pot legalized and a government check.

 

And my challenge was answered


Now- can Conservatives carry on a conversation about immigration without blaming liberals and Democrats? My guess is probably not.

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Sadly Republicans don't care about Americans- they only want to imprison black people and keep brown people out.

(all tongue in cheek as a parody of the asinine post I was responding to)

 

What? No one accepts everything Obama does. Good lord, no wonder we have so many problems with attitudes like this.

 

Your simple questions rely on the false presumption that Obama as been doing nothing about border security and that there is an "ongoing invasion". Neither is true.

The fact is that Obama has increased border security; increasing the number of patrol agents on the Mexican border by 14%, to 17,659 agents as of 2011.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...says-border-patrol-has-doubled-number-agents/

And the fact is, undocumented migration into the US has slowed to a trickle.
In 2013, a DHS report estimating the size of the illegal immigrant population living in the U.S. said, "In summary, an estimated 11.4 million unauthorized immigrants were living in the United States in January 2012 compared to 11.5 million in January 2011. These results suggest little to no change in the unauthorized immigrant population from 2011 to 2012."[
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

Why hasn't Obama done more? I think there may be several reasons. One if the fact just mentioned; migration into the US has dwindled to a trickle. Second may be the fact that federal spending has declined over the past four years, including the sequester last year that cut spending across the board.

The economic impact is hard to figure. However, there is no doubt that many thousands of businesses, including agriculture, use low cost migrant workers as a way to keep their costs down, and profits up. Removing this source of low cost labor would have a major price increasing effect on these businesses.

Giving the current demographics of an improving labor market and more people dropping out of the work force and retiring, it will likely be we will need more such workers in the not too distant future; not less.

 

Presenting a legal opinion from a District Court Judge on DHS failure to enforce Federal law is not exactly quoting Fox News, i.e. Fox News did not write the opinion. However another example of Obama's failure to secure the border is the DOJ lawsuits intended to derail State immigration law enforcement. Here is a link from the liberal Washington Post on the subject.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-administration-widens-challenges-to-state-immigration-laws/2011/09/28/gIQA8HgR7K_story.html

The Obama DACA memo and associated program is yet another example of Obama's desire to circumvent existing law.

 

While I disagree with the DOJ on the law suits how does that mean he has failed in his federal obligations to protect the border?

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Remember- he doesn't want Obama to be compared to what other Presidents have done- because even though Obama has done more to enforce immigration laws than recent Presidents, and illegal immigration has gone down- this thread is a non-partisan and unbiased examination as to why Obama and liberals are such losers......

 

Another example of Obama style enforcement - no wonder why he needed more agents - to do paperwork.
http://www.kpho.com/story/25717716/unaccompanied-immigrant-children-now-being-detained-in-arizona

 

So it's your premise that no liberal ever owned a construction company? Care to espouse your theory as to why not?

 

Still another question. Since Obama has the power to close the border, why doesnt he?

 

Why should he close the border?

It might reduce the number of illegal immigrants, but it won 't stop it completely.

Plus a big huge concrete wall is an eyesore.

 

1. Bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
2. I live in the corridor. I am very familiar with the negative impact.

 

Have you ever considered that people voted for Obama because they agreed with his platform, rather than being "fans"?

As for your loaded question, maybe you'd get a decent answer if you didn't pre-politicize it by calling immigration an "invasion of illegals".

 

You mean with... I dunno... an iron curtain?

Maybe we should start with assumptions: is immigration harmful in the first place?

 

Ha. Its pretty obvious he started this as pure D bait. So dont expect a legitimate answer.

 

Obama is doing plenty about border security, and all for his own benefit. On a daily basis he is encouraging and allowing thousands of unaccompanied immigrant children from Central America to come to the U.S. Their parents in Central America are packing them on buses that drop them off at Greyhound bus stations all along the border. The Border Patrol and Departments of Human Services are overwhelmed.

Once here, advocates will demand these children be reunited with their parents, making their parents also eligible to remain in the U.S.

By law, the U.S. is obligated to send these children to school and treat them for the myriad of diseases they are bringing.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/08/us/arizona-dhs-undocumented-children-moved/

 

Well I worked in Construction for a number of years- and most Construction owners were not 'liberal' even here in California.

But we are talking red state Texas, in an industry that tends to be conservative.

I have no problem stating that most of the Construction owners in Texas are indeed Conservative and Republican.

Just as most of their employees are undocumented immigrants.

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LOL...Conservatives spin the most ironic stories.

Anything to attack Obama.

Meanwhile illegal immigration is down.

But hey- why mention that?