Two women in NYC arrested for protesting outside an abortion clinic

Two women in New York City were arrested for standing outside an abortion clinic in protest and praying aloud, ostensibly because they violated the city's temporary prohibition against public gatherings, in the wake of the Coronavirus pandemic.

While they were standing outside the clinic, there were still other women going into the building to get abortions.

Apparently New York considers getting abortions an "essential" activity, while standing right outside a clinic to protest or try to dissuade women from getting abortions is not an "essential activity".

Further ironic is that the state has temporarily suspended all "non-essential" surgical procedures (like knee replacement surgery, for example), but has still given the green light for abortions to continue going on.

This was also the same week that the George Floyd protests went on in the city, and the city maintained a policy of not intervening or arresting those protesters for violating social distancing orders.

Pro-life advocates Bevelyn Beatty and Edmee Chavannes, co-founders of At the Well Ministries, were handcuffed May 30 on the sidewalk outside the Margaret Sanger Planned Parenthood Center in Manhattan for allegedly violating Mayor Bill de Blasio's coronavirus-related social distancing guidelines.

Planned Parenthood called the police on the two women, who were issued citations for failure to disperse and given a September court date.

"We're black women but we do not support Black Lives Matter because they're hand-in-hand with Planned Parenthood that kills African-American babies," Beatty told a reporter. "They're fraudulent hypocrites... and I believe all lives matter," she said. "There are thousands of George Floyds that die every day in their mother's womb and it's just as injust as when he died at the hands of that police officer."

Beatty called it ironic that the legal order they were arrested under was supposedly put in place to try to save lives, and said Mayor Blasio and Governor Andrew Cuomo were pushing an agenda and didn't really care about saving lives.

"The reality is this: How is abortion essential? How are stores closing and we can't have Red Lobster and we can't go to church but you can still go and kill a baby?"

"Let me tell you something, Christians get it the worst," Beatty said in a Facebook live video moments before she was handcuffed. "I have not been so harassed by the police until I started doing this!"

"Planned Parenthood is not following social distancing, mind you - the person I'm standing with I actually live with so we don’t need to follow social distancing. But the police were saying we were violating social distancing and the only ones that are supposed to be there are the ones that work there," Beatty told Live Action News.
"And we told them we're not moving because it’s a public sidewalk and we have a right to be there."

While it is illegal in New York to block the entry of abortion businesses, neither woman was doing so in this case, as can be seen in the video. Beatty said they weren't protesting or picketing, but were there to try to counsel women.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-protest-abortion-clinic-george-floyd-handcuffed
https://www.liveaction.org/news/pro-life-women-arrested-planned-parenthood/


It looks like the city saw this as an opportunity to use the Coronavirus as an excuse to prevent pro-life activists from standing outside clinics. Especially because it was inconvenient and embarrassing when these two particular activists were black, at the same time the George Floyd protests are going on and being encouraged.

So many double standards going on here.

 

So much crap going on there.

"Two women in New York City were arrested for standing outside an abortion clinic in protest and praying aloud, ostensibly because they violated the city's temporary prohibition against public gatherings, in the wake of the Coronavirus pandemic."

End of story.

The rest is a gigantic stretch because you heard OTHER people say the bumper sticker CRAP about ," Gee, ya can get an abortion but ya can't go to church"


An extremely stupid and completely illogical comparison and one of your best stretches-because-you-have-no-argument ever


YES, medical procedures like heart attacks, broken bones, severed arteries and abortions are essential.....they cannot be delayed

(goodGAWD, hard to believe that has to be explained...unbelievable)

 

Let me point out and go through all the ironies and double standards, one by one:

1. Abortion is considered an "essential activity", but trying to make women change their minds about their imminent abortion is not considered an "essential activity".
2. Elective medical procedures like knee replacement surgeries have been postponed but abortions are allowed to continue on.
3. The George Floyd protests have been allowed to go on, but two pro-life activists outside of an abortion clinic are not.
4. The George Floyd protests are about "saving black lives", but they don't want to discuss those black lives when they are inside of a womb.
5. The social distancing orders have supposedly been put in place to try to "save lives", but these same orders are being used to prevent pro-life activists from trying to "save lives".

 

You are correct, it's not.

Yes, because it's obvious abortions have time constraints.

"" they violated the city's temporary prohibition against public gatherings, in the wake of the Coronavirus pandemic.""

It had NOTHING to do with being outside a clinic...nothing...

The Floyd protests are about cops murdering black people and EQUAL RIGHTS....black women have as much right to get an abortion as white women....or do you not think so???

""Supposedly""" !!!! WTF!!!

NO, those orders are NOT being used to prevent pro-life activists from trying to save lives.

Ironies and double standards only in your eyes....there is no real irony or double standards....but if you want to compare apples to hippos go right ahead...

 

Hey, I thought of a comparison:

The protesters want equal rights for everyone, the Anti-Choicers want to destroy women's rights...

 

You do realize that your argument doesn't really make logic sense here.
Your argument that "essential medical procedures" are defined by procedures which have time constraints is not really valid for a few reasons.
First, you're trying to compare abortion to essential medical procedures where if the patient does not get it within a timely manner, there is a good chance their health could be severely and seriously negatively impacted, in a way that would extend far beyond when the medical procedure is eventually performed later. (we are mainly talking about elective abortions here)
Let's remember that even tests that could have the possibility (though small) of saving a patient's life have also been put on hold and delayed during the coronavirus pandemic. So the tiny chance that a procedure could save a person's life is not enough to legitimately make it analogous to the "essential" category of medical procedures.
The fact is, the woman is not going to keel over and die if she does not get this medical procedure. Sure, you could argue the state of her body will be greatly inconvenienced during this time, but you could also say the same for someone being denied a knee replacement surgery, or many of the other categories of medical procedures which have been deemed "non-essential". Pregnancy is mainly a temporary condition, which means the fact that it has time constraints is mostly irrelevant.
Surely any stretch marks would also fall into the category of cosmetic and "non-essential", as I am sure there are many other medical procedures being denied that could potentially leave lasting cosmetic marks on the body due to the delay in treatment. For example laser acne treatments.
There are countless other medical treatments for non-permanent medical conditions that have been deemed non-essential. The fact that these treatments have "time constraints" (because the medical condition they seek to cure will be over by then) does not make them automatically "essential".

 

How can you say that with a straight face? Are you not able to see the supreme irony in many of the things you write?

There are clear parallels here, obvious for all to see.
EQUAL RIGHTS, when it comes to the issue of abortion... But in your little world, the woman reigns supreme.

Talk about "civil rights"... There's not much that's more ironic than that...

 

They can ban people from going to church, having medical procedures, being able to get along in their daily normal lives, all with the justification of trying to "save some lives", but once they put up some roadblocks in front of a woman from getting an abortion we call that infringing on her personal rights.

Huge irony here.

 

OSTENSIBLY

So this is a coulda, maybe, might have, possibly...............

In many places there are laws protecting the clinics from protesting within a certain area around the clinic

Did they breach that law?

 

How many George Floyd protesters have been handcuffed in NYC?

Is it fair to say you have a far higher chance being ticketed by police standing outside an abortion clinic and praying than you do being a rowdy protester in a huge unruly crowd with vandalism going on all around?

 

That is correct

You DO realise don’t you that not every d&c is for abortion?

And the reason for that is that the beds in the abortion clinics are not needed for people with the virus

No we don’t want to talk about a potential “life” we would rather talk about post birth lives

 

If you cut bits out of my replies I will either put you on ignore or report you

Your choice

 

It's a non-story. It's like getting a parking ticket and no one except the so-called extremist pro-lifers care about it.

 

NO, there is no irony….no double standard...no comparison.

YES, denying women bodily autonomy IS infringing on her rights...

 

A woman getting an abortion has to obey the law restricting abortions after viability, therefore, it is essential.
And YOU can't change that
All that other incoherent crap about acne and stretch marks is, well, gobbledygoop….

 

I can tell this opening post must have hit a nerve, otherwise there would not be so many hastily put together responses posted so fast. And the abortion section of this forum has been pretty quiet for days.
9 posts from 3 different pro-choicers within 4 hours.

 

You think you "hit a nerve" because your thread got responses?

So every time YOU respond someone has hit your nerve??? Really? That's sure a strange way to look at it but then again the OP here was quite strange.

 

Killing your developing baby inside your body is classified as "essential". Meanwhile, people who need a knee replacement are not being allowed to get them.
Even though a person who needs a knee replacement surgery may not even be able to walk, while a pregnant woman can walk.

And Black Lives matter, unless they're inside a womb.

(This has nothing to do with women's rights, because the two women in this story were trying to get women to change their minds, not take away their ability to make the decision)

They've halted non-essential and elective surgeries because "people's lives are at stake", but they haven't halted abortions.
One would have to guess that a woman getting an abortion is putting people's lives at stake just as much as someone getting a knee replacement surgery, if not more so... Certainly there is one life certainly very much at stake here.

 

It only seems "strange" to you because your mind is doing everything in its power to avoid seeing the obvious connections and blatant contradictions.

Thus I truly believe that, on some conscious level, you genuinely are not able to see any point to this thread.

 

Why does this remind me of the saying about playing chess with a pigeon?

 

So, I take it, you're in favor of abortion on demand right up till birth. That is the logical take away from your post.

I disagree.

Laws restricting later term abortions demonstrate your argument is specious.

 

That's because there is none.

 

That's because in abortions no "people" are killed.

 

Ya, it got real quiet in another abortion thread where I showed someone who thought all women got from pregnancy was stretch marks a list of all the things that happen during pregnancy that poster got real quiet...

 

They have a right to peacefully assemble and should stand up to government shut downs. Their right to protest shoud not infringe on the rights of others. The same way the Westboro baptist church has the right to protest at military funerals, they must keep a distance.

The argument on what is "essential" is really an argument on how much power should the government have over our lives.