U.S. Army Tries New Recruiting Tactics

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  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Go to "Army wtf" on Facebook if you want more.

    I swear yesterday I read a memo that someone posted on there and I read all of the hundreds of comments thinking it was a tongue in cheek sort of thing that a Private wrote up to be funny or something. Turns out it was a real memorandum put out by that particular unit and I sat here in pure awe once it was confirmed to be legitimate.

    It is absolutely ridiculous to me that this is going on right now.

    I watched a live town hall from my local unit Commanders the other day and I sat here shaking my head at their plan to deal with this whole pandemic thing. Granted I won't caste stones too far, I don't envy those folks AT ALL, these Commanders are in a crappy situation and I made a personal choice to not go down that career path because I have zero desire to ever be a military Commander because of reasons like this. However, I just sat there shaking my head listening to their brief and once again I sat there wondering if I was in fact losing my mind. I'm sorry but when a military General Officer sits there and says "I can't think of a situation on this installation where Soldiers are ever really in groups of more than 10 anyway" then that is willful ignorance. Their entire hour long brief boiled down to basically "We aren't going to do anything". Then when asked by a wife why we aren't at least doing what our neighboring Air Force base is doing the response was "We aren't aware they are doing anything different than us". When their response is in fact drastically different than ours seeing how they are literally a few miles away and all of us can go over there and see for ourselves as plenty have done.

    Me personally I don't really care. I'm single and I live alone and I will always be "essential personnel" if they ever decide to issue a stay at home order for non mission essential Soldiers or something. So I have no stake in the game, not like I can infect my nonexistent family or anything nor will I get any time off from work if they start kicking folks off the base. But for those who are not in my shoes I don't really blame them for being this pissed off about the Army seemingly pretending that we are somehow immune to this virus while the entire nation and every other branch of service is pretty much taking every precaution they can. Hell the chief medical Officer of our installation flat out said during the town hall in response to the "Why aren't we doing anything" question with "We are mostly young and healthy troops so our risk of severe illness or death is minimal".

    But when this pandemic passes we'll be reading Army Times articles again talking about retention issues and the Army asking for feedback as to why because "the data regarding why Soldiers are choosing not to reenlist is inconclusive" lol.

    But of course every memorandum put out by unit Commanders regarding this pandemic begins with "The care of our Soldiers and their families during this Covid-19 pandemic is our number one priority, therefore.....[we are going to send 500 Soldiers to the field because they are safer in the field than they are in garrison where this virus is going around] (Unless one of them has it and infects the entire battalion while sleeping head to toe in tents with no running water for weeks)"

    Some unit literally posted that ^^^^ lol...
     
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    You were right about "Army wtf." I started out with, "I'll just take a quick peek..."



    ...and then I lost myself...
     
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    Well, that is actually something the entire military has an issue with.

    The "up or out" system ends up forcing a lot of people out. I have seen outstanding individuals forced out, simply because they had made a mistake 15 years earlier, or had pissed off the wrong person a decade earlier and will never gain another rank. I have known a great many that were forced out because of various reasons completely unrelated to conduct or job performance. And those that are younger often see this, and decide that they will not stay in and face the exact same thing themselves a decade or more later.

    The 1991 and 2009 RIFs really gutted the military of people who had not done anything wrong, they simply did not have a high enough rank to stay in. How many want to stay in, knowing that after 16 or 18 years they might get the axe? That is especially true when it comes to officers. The vast majority only hold "reserve commissions", and know that as they increase in time in service, there are fewer and fewer slots available to them.

    Every branch has this issue. Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marines. I know of over a dozen like me who came back in 2007 and early 2008, only to get the axe a year or two later when the next administration decided to cut numbers, and because of our broken service we did not have the rank to stay in. Out of all of those I know, I was the only one that went into the reserves because I had over 15 years in. The rest were still in the 8-12 year mark, and just threw up their hands in disgust and left.
     
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    I'm extremely critical of "up and out."

    1. There are some people who just like their jobs and don't want to be promoted out of them.

    2. The push people into becoming NCO's who are just not interested in doing the job, and it shows.

    Removing that would go along way to solving retention issues.
     
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    And it is more than that.

    I have not had a problem being an NCO. I actually love it. I love leading, training, and mentoring those entering the military. But as you go higher up the chain, your job becomes less mentoring and leadership, and more administration and paperwork. I have had a lot of friends who loved being an E-5, tolerated being an E-6, and detested being an E-7. I also know a Captain that got out after he was offered promotion to Major. He could not imagine spending the next 6+ years in purely administrative positions until he could make Lieutenant Colonel and finally get another command position.

    In most of the military, O-4 is a "holding position", where you spend the entire time in that rank in staff and admin positions. You are not considered to have enough experience to lead a Battalion, but you have to much experience to lead a Company. So you either spend years there until they think you have the administration experience they think you need to run a Battalion, or you stay there for the rest of your career, moving from staff position to staff position until you retire.

    Many of us enjoy being "hands on", working with those who serve under us, actually doing the jobs we were trained for. But as you move up in rank, you spend less and less time doing that and more in just being a paper pusher. E-4 and E-5 are great ranks if you enjoy doing your job. You spend almost all of your time "on the ground", doing the tasks you were trained to do. But once you make E-7, you largely leave that behind and are now stuck behind a desk most of the time.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Surprisingly according to a recent briefing the Army is floating around the idea of knocking this sort of thing off. Basically allowing someone to remain the "hands on" E-5 or E-6 for as long as they so desire. Same with Officers, after Company Command if you decide you don't want to pursue the path towards Battalion Commander and wish to remain a Captain or possibly a Major and do other stuff then they will allow it.

    It was an idea tossed around as a way to combat the retention issue and I have no idea how serious the Army was about implementing such a thing but it was discussed. I personally think it's a great idea because it has been my experience that not everybody is qualified to even be in these higher up positions yet somehow they seem to make it there. I've met my fair share of 1SG's and CSM's who should have never gotten beyond Squad Leader at most. That's the product of a broken system in my book, especially this whole "looks good on paper" style of promotion nonsense that the military is so famous for.

    This is the main reason why I jumped ship from being an NCO and ducked and dodged all attempts to make me an RLO. I have no desire whatsoever to be in charge of people anymore nor do I want to spend my days at work doing everything but my hands on job. Once I became the rank to where I spent way more time at a desk than with my Soldiers I walked away. Granted the job I have now is basically all paperwork with my MOS sprinkled in. But I basically work at my own pace and I'm that weird rank that everybody hates to where I have too much authority to get told what to do by either NCO's or RLO's and not enough rank to have to make any decisions lol.

    This is the only gig I would ever agree to in the Army.
     
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    And I got out after I hit E-7.
     

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