U.S. Budget Deficit Widens 11.8% in First Quarter of Fiscal Year

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Does Trumps massive spending make him an even bigger Socialist than Obama ?

  1. Yes - Society is on the hook for all this spending and wealth redistribution is socialism

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  2. No - Military and other programs that I like are funded by Santa Clause and not Taxes.

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I didn't dismiss them. You just say that because I don't find them entirely convincing. It's called skepticism
    I didn't ignore that either how in the hell do you know what I'm ignoring are you inside my head?

    I'm skeptical of it. I'm sorry you're easily convinced.
    The problem here is that you're more easily convinced something I would call gullible. I need more than one infographic in one article. That's not me arguing in bed face that's you not presenting enough evidence.

    But if you want to scamper off because you are frustrated don't blame me.
     
  2. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many articles do you require?
    I will gladly find and review each of them as long as it is a reasonable number and you will look at the data in good faith.
     
  3. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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  4. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't blame me for you not realizing the implication of your own claims.

    You have claimed here - and in numerous other places - in numerous ways - repeating yourself like a broken record that "you can not get more for less money"

    Currently we spend more than 3.5 Trillion a year for healthcare. If we could do better with our money - say get epiPens for 70 Dollars like in Britain - in stead of paying - that is getting more for less money.

    Which is why I stated
    "We paid 3.5 Trillion for Healthcare in 2017 - The claim that we can not do better for our money - is abject nonsense on steroids"
     
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    What a pile of B.S.
    For two years Trump had a Republican House and Senate and didn't even breath in the direction of controlling Military spending.
     
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    They passed the necessary spending to at least get our readiness at the level we require to insure our national security. Want to get more control on spending then make sure you for fiscal conservatives and you're not going to find them in the Democrat party.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or in the Republican party.
     
  8. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    what claims did I make?

    Don't bother answering the question because I I didn't make any positive claims you did. Then did not proceed to prove them.

    if I doubt that your unicorn exist I don't have to prove that it doesn't exist you have to prove that it does.





    That's a lie. I claimed that it does not make economic sense for you to be able to get more of something at better quality for less cost.

    Editing my statements to then make a straw man fallacy is intellectually dishonest if you can't are you in good faith then I see no reason to continue.

    is that what the government spends?
    instead of paying for insurance?
    Who is we? I didn't pay a penny I didn't consume any. I think you mean the consumers pay 3.5 trillion and if that's the case that cost the government nothing. Since the government doesn't have anything that's the way it should be.
     
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    In other words pure B.S of an excuse..
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I posted what you claimed - and explained why your claim inferred. you running around crying "no no no .. Lie Lie Lie" - does not change this fact.

    You ask "who is the we that pays the 3.5 Trillion in healthcare" ? then say "I didn't pay a Penny" what mindless gibberish.

    For the rest of us - who pay for healthcare in one form or another - or pay our employees healthcare in one form or another - and pay taxes from which the Gov't pays roughly half... That's the "WE". Where did you think the money came from .. Santa ?
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    So lets see who is lying.

    You said "providing people with more government services has to cost more money. It can't possibly cost less because that doesn't make sense".

    I summarized your claim - as "You can not get more for Less"

    Turns out one of us is Lying - and it ain't me :)
     
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    I know you posted part of what I claimed you edited it to where it was out of context Gus misrepresenting my claim to make up a straw man that you then attacked.

    You can lie to yourself and believe it but I'm not going to.


    they are questions and you called the mindless gibberish because you don't want to answer them.

    If we the taxpayer paid 3.5 trillion dollars then that needs to be stopped immediately that should be zero. If we the consumer pay 3.5 trillion dollars then you can just opt out of that you're not forced to pay that.


    I didn't know who the Wii U were talking about was you didn't specify that's why I asked thanks for answering my question. And I hope it makes you feel better to belittle people for asking you questions.

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    Your lie is that your strawman is my argument. I'm not going to claim your strawman. I'm not that stupid you can try that on other people maybe it works but it doesn't work on me. I know very clearly what I'm saying.
     
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    IOW you have nothing of substance to add here.
     
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    More in the Republican and on Republican tickets than Democrats that's for sure, get rid of the RINO's and the Democrats.
     
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    Really, so the debt has gone down since trump took office?
     
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    You are the one who is lying .. and nor were you taken out of context or misrepresented in any way.

    You said "providing people with more government services has to cost more money. It can't possibly cost less because that doesn't make sense".

    I summarized your claim - as "You can not get more for Less"

    Explain what the difference is between your statement and my summary

    It doesn't matter what it should be - or what it needs be. I am talking about what it is.

    There is no "Pay Nothing" option in the collective equation. The option is either Pay more than 3.5 Trillion - which was the option chosen after 2017 - Pay the same - or Pay less. Pay less however does not mean ZERO.

    You have to come up with a plan that people are going to buy into - Right - Wrong or Otherwise - if you show up saying ZERO - people will snicker and carry on.

    We are not going to adopt on of these other systems straight across the board either - but at least is a coherent and logical option.
     
  16. Polydectes

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    you can believe whatever reality you wish.

    You misquoted my claim and I know better what I claimed then you do.

    There's not really anything left to talk about you are just too pigheaded to have this discussion.

    You should really question things, I know it's hard to confront your beliefs but it's worth it.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't misquote you - take your claim out of context - or misrepresent your claim.

    You said "providing people with more government services has to cost more money. It can't possibly cost less because that doesn't make sense".

    I summarized your claim - as "You can not get more for Less"

    Which is exactly what you say in your claim - and then gave an example of how your claim was wrong.
     
  18. Polydectes

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    I know better than you what I typed. Yes you did.
     
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    I typed what you typed

    You said "providing people with more government services has to cost more money. It can't possibly cost less because that doesn't make sense".

    How does this not mean - "You can not get more for Less" - with respect to healthcare service.

    You can run but you can't hide from your own words.

    The fact of the matter is that there are many examples of socialized medicine providing more for less. The epiPen being just one example.

    Your claim is false - deal with it. .


     
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    False.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    are you claiming you didn't say "providing people with more government services has to cost more money. It can't possibly cost less because that doesn't make sense". ??
     
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    Why would someone who has nothing to offer but cow fecal matter expect substance?
     
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    The National debt could hit $25 TRILLION by the time the election rolls around.
     
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    Quote me saying that.
     
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    The deficit is going to be much higher than estimated due to the economic crisis. I will be very surprised if it does not hit 1.5 Trillion for the year.
     

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