U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

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  1. JakeStarkey

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...SKs8qccOyfYS5lyEs3abnbUovBYyb6rqq-zX_8Jmlb7zo

    Another Trump administration drone strike a la Obama (my, Trump loves to emulate Obama) that kills non-white, non-American non-jihadist Afghani pine nut workers, thirty of them including several of their children.

    I appreciate Trump trying to get us out of Syria, trying NOT to go to war with Iran, but he must bring home our troops from Afghanistan. He is isolating our allies in the ME and FE, exposing us to Russia and China, and wrecking our alliances with the West.

    Minimalist foreign policy is good to an extent, but not to that of exposing us and our allies to our enemies without a joint strategy.
     
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    bummer. we'll do better next time.
     
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    Trump killed 10 times more civilians in Afghanistan in 2018, than Al Qaida killed at 911.
     
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    It was President Obama who wrote the rules on how UAV's (drones) would be used and who will be considered an unlawful combatant.
     
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    What's your source?
     
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    Are you saying that trump is too stupid to change the rules? Obama has been out of office for years.
     
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    Please cite.
     
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    Trump idolizes Obama and wishes to exceed him in every way.
     
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    How can you tell they were civilians? Does the Taliban wear uniforms?
     
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    All the jihadist propaganda fit to print...
     
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    Obama has damn near been erased from presidential history by Trump. Keep dreaming.
     
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    No background info in the article that may explain this tragic mistake. I'll wait for the whole story before formulating an opinion
     
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    ^^^ That is the most foolish statement of the month.
     
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    President Trump inherited Obama's ROE for UAV's.

    Not as easy as you think to change the policies that a President has inherited from the outgoing POTUS.

    Just ask G.W. Bush (43) when he inherited Clinton's stupid policies on dealing with Al Qaeda.

    Or when President Nixon inherited LBJ's stupid policies of the Vietnam War that prevented Nixon from ending the Vietnam War in 1969.
     
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    Whatever happened to pine nuts from Italy?
     
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    What a STINKING disaster...
     
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    Yes, overall, Trump's foreign policy mistakes are weakening us before China and Russia both, imo.
     
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    Before we change the "rules" it would be nice to determine if Obama did say to kill pine nut farmers, don't you agree?
     
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    Too expensive or not good quality ?
     
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    Hmmm ... Could have been a mistake, but the accusations that they were civilians could be propaganda. Drones have the ability to quietly linger in the area and surveil for a long time, making a mistake fairly unlikely.

    I’m not going to judge this yet.
     
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    We are mixing rules of engagement with policy?
     
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    Not really it's the norm.

    In modern warfare the innocent civilian killed rate compared to combatants is anywhere from 2:1 to as high as 14:1 depending which war.

    More civilians are killed in war than soldiers.

    The safest place to be during war time is wearing a uniform and serving in the military.
     
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    Mistakes and accidents happen no matter what rules of engagement or policies we have.
     
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    Its always been that way.. Its not a new phenomena .. Strikes on wedding parties or nut farmers are screw ups.. What about Dresden or the gassing of thousands of Iraqi Arabs and Kurds by the RAF in 1920?
     
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    Good that Gengis Khan was not in the modern era he would have blown that ratio up. Stalin and the Russians did more killing of civilians than military. But no suprise.
     
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