U S GOVERNMENT now CONFISCATING Homes, Cars and ASSETS

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  1. AlNewman

    AlNewman Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that's a real solution, cower in fear, disrupt your life because tyrants have rights, you don't. Living life as a mouse because you refuse to stand as a man does not seem a very fulfilling life to me.
     
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    AlNewman Well-Known Member

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    Your false number is the substantive issue, who would have guessed?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    In context, 15 is a substantive issue only for small minds, insecure minds, pedantic minds.
     
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    I agree with you totally, it is a small mind that would find this a substantive issue. I guess the rest of that post was just standard everyday knowledge not worth mentioning.
     
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    Funny how right wingers never fight to get legislation passed that would end police seizures of property. While these deluded political pundits claim they want limited government, somehow they stay silent in the face of these criminal actions by the cops. The problem is that all too often it is someone else whose property or personal liberty is being hazarded by the criminal cops. Case in point - the pat downs and strip searches of innocent black men in NYC ~ none of those stupid actions did anything to stop drugs like the cops said it would. This not because such searches were actually intended to stop drugs. Instead, they were about control and intimidation. If the stupid cops really wanted to stop drugs, they would go into the wealthy white suburbs, strip search and pat down white men and white women and they would find FAR more drugs such as meth. Furthermore, they would find the organized criminal elements that are responsible for importing and creating drugs in laboratories.

    Where is the NRA and the Tea Party to demand all this??? Shít, they do nothing because in their deluded political correctness, government is correct when it is suppressing the rights of innocent blacks and other from the ghetto. But once the government commits these acts against suburbanites then you hear stories of the need for armaments to limit government.

    All that is hypocrisy at its worse.
     
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    Mexican police are even more corrupt than American police.

    I will NEVER forget an episode many years ago from the 60 Minutes show dealing with Mexican police corruption: a police captain in Texas had his car stolen and he heard it was in a Mexican town. To make a long story short, he discovered it had been stolen by that town's police chief.
     
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    The Federal courts have repeatedly approved of Title 26.
     
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    I think we can all agree that government should be able to confiscate property. The question is what type of safeguards should be in place.
    Unfortunately the justice system has demonstrated that using judges as impartial arbiters doesn't really work. Judges are too few and far between and overburdened with too many caseloads, and they very typically (the rule rather than the exception) seem to just delegate out most of their authority to whatever government official is filing an application with them. Basically operates as a rubber stamp conveyor belt.
    There needs to be an opportunity for the owner of the property to try to reclaim his property and some sort of hearing where the officials who confiscated the property should have to show a burden of proof, with the owner of the seized assets being able to hear the evidence and respond at that time.
    And perhaps there should be a multi-panel of judges, or a judge and two neutral arbitrators, to hear cases involving very high value assets.

    There are also, in the U.S., Constitutional issues at play when the federal government begins to confiscate property, and by that I mean the appropriate role of the federal government versus the states. I doubt many officials pay attention to this, but they should.
     
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    It is a very disturbing belief that is the root of the whole problem. Perhaps reading Title 18, Chapter 46 on forfeiture would let you understand your wish has been fulfilled and this is what you got. What legislation are you referring to, that which is followed or that which is ignored?

    What does the NRA or Tea Party have to do with anything? Innocent blacks, why must there always be a victim class? So by your argument what is being done is ok so long as the innocent blacks are excluded? Or should we be just absolutely politically correct and expand the innocent to any not white? Just wanted to know how large a circle that innocent should cover before you would no longer have a problem with the issue?
     
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    I don't agree at all, theft is theft. Calling it confiscation does not change that it's theft. Using government to provide a strong arm solution does not change the fact it is still theft. Only a court at law can remove a man's property for payment of judgement.

    It is not the government that is at fault for it is by a fiction of man that governments are instituted. It is but words upon a document, it has no power to do anything but oxidize. It is the concept of power not possessed given authority by fear of the coercive power of "government".

    Justice is available to those that understand it is up to them.
     

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