U.S. homicide rates compared to different countries

And the Heroin, Cocaine and especially the Crack Wars of the 1980s and 1990s has nothing to do with? Just look at Prohibition’s gang violence. The Mafia really got its wealth and power when such members as Al “Scarface” Capone was drug/booze running. The associated massive gang wars had little to do with the availability guns before or after Prohibition.

Don’t forget too that the general lead poisoning of our country, which apparently did a lot of background harm, did not finally taper down until after the drug wars.

 

I will challenge your assumption that knife wounds are less lethal. Lethality is also affect by force associated with the injury and a bulllet has a lot more inherent force than a knife

 

Seconded.

The above depends on a great many variables, making it impossible for such to apply in a general, all-inclusive manner. Bullets have been shown to ricochet right off the curves of bones, even when a person is shot in the head and at close range. It is not a simple cut and dry matter, especially since blood vessels do not take a great deal of force to critically rupture.

 

Any evidence of that claim?

In Canada, violent crime with a knife was greater than violent crime with a gun. Canada is generally gun friendly (25% of households have firearms).

And in Switzerland (very high gun ownership rate), knives are the most common murder weapon (that's murder, not assault).
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/busine...ecline-in-murder-rate-in-switzerland/43844132

So it looks like your assumption is false.

 

A lot of the violent crime in Switzerland is not committed by the citizenry.

Old news article:

 

Yes but now NYC has very low gun deaths due to strict gun laws

 

I might be misreading this, but I said that the rate of violence was not affected, but its lethality was affected by the presence of guns. The more there is violence the more there is death. Pointing a gun and pulling a trigger is easier than running after someone and stabbing them, and you can often deflect an arm, but not a bullet. If a society is violent, there will be a lot of attempts to murder someone. If there is a lack of guns, what would people use, but knives?

 

NYC has had strict gun control laws since the 1930s, yes? The homicide rate has varied greatly in the past eighty odd years despite a virtual, strictly enforced ban on guns during that whole time.

The only real difference between now and the 1960s to 1990s, and even the 30sis the social disruption of those times which included the various drug and gang wars.

Once the Crack Wars ended and various large street gangs basically said no more of that please, the murders, including gun violence, went way down. So again, I say that saying it’s all about gun control is at best misleading.

 

If the crack wars are over they are over elsewhere as well. Nyc has low gun deaths due to enforcement of strict gun laws. It is not some other magical reason. It is really quite simple.

Name a large city, state or country with low gun deaths and I will show you strict gun laws

 

That's all opinion, with absolutely nothing to back it up.

I gave you 2 examples of countries - Canada and Switzerland - in which guns are plentiful and readily available, there is not a lack of guns, but murder with knives was a bigger problem.

That data clearly shows that the ease of pulling a trigger is not the factor that criminals take into account, that running after someone is not a factor, and that deflecting an arm is not a factor.

Any fact to back up your claim?

 

Guns are more controlled in both countries than knives are

 

Subtract gang shootings in 5 US cities and watch the US gun homicide rates plummet to near the bottom of the world list.

 

NYC underwent gentrification. A certain segment of the population that used to live in that neighborhood got pushed out as prices rose and rents went up. The same thing happened in Oakland on the West Coast.
However, the downside to this gentrification was that it left in its wake a wave of homelessness. (Something few people seem to be talking about, but that's another story)

 

NYC includes the bronx, staten island, queens, brooklyn as well as manhatten. A LOT of poor neighborhoods in those areas.

 

Take out the gun deaths....and we have low gun deaths. LOL

 

Yes, but let's just say those neighborhoods today are more likely to celebrate Cinco de Mayo than they are Kwanzaa.

 

I await your detailed evidence

 

You're right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City#Diversity_of_New_York_City's_boroughs

 

A truly wonderfully diverse city

 

Yeah, now that the Blacks are gone. Aren't liberals concerned about that?

Or will you just gloat about how NYC's laws have supposedly made gun homicide rates go down?

 

Are you saying it is a black problem? Read my sig. LOL

 

Cities with very strong gun controls already in place.

 

Like NYC?

 

Why don't you try picking a less trendy city that all the yuppies aren't moving to in droves?

How are things working out in Detroit or Chicago?

 

How about NYC? LOL