UFOs are far more likely terrestrial in origin.

UFOs are far more likely to be of a terrestrial origin than of an extraterrestrial origin.

UFOs of even a terrestrial origin would be extraordinary, but the times and distances involved with UFOs being of an extraterrestrial origin make that proposition vanishingly unlikely by comparison.

No matter how hard it would be to imagine keeping something like that secret right here on Earth, complications with the distances and time involved with an extraterrestrial origin make the former seem like a minor technicality compared to the latter.

 

Agreed. The universe is ever expanding. It’s likely there is intelligent life out there; somewhere. But the chances of us finding it, or it finding us, grows less likely with every passing second.

 

It's only "likely" if life came to be by chance. Personally, I hold as axiomatic that chance is not a creative force.

 

All things come down to chance. The fact that you are you and not someone else, however similar, came down to the chance of which sperm fertilized the egg.

 

No. I have no good reason to believe that. Ignorance is not evidence of chance. I have every good reason to believe that which sperm fertilized the eggs was as prescribed as was the information conveyed in that sperm and that egg.

I stand by my observation. Chance is not a creative force, at all, ever. Nothing increases in functional complexity by chance.

Something cannot come from nothing, and chance is not a creative force.

 

Unless you’re resorting to “God did it” I’m not sure where you’re getting this from.

 

"God" is a loose term. It can really mean anything. What I can affirm is the actual existence of necessary being as opposed to contingent being. I am left to believe that matter is contingent in its being, and if contingent being exists, necessary being must exist. I am left to believe that matter is contingent in its being because it is subject to change. Anything subject to change is contingent in its being.

 

So then you’re saying existence is dependent on an intelligent being/force? If that’s not what you’re saying then I don’t catch your meaning.

 

Being cannot come from non-being, and everything that I can observe, test and measure is contingent in its being. In other words, it came to be. As I wrote above, I am left to believe that matter is contingent in its being because it is subject to change.

 

At least equally insurmountable to the vast distances involved is the odds of such intelligent life existing anywhere near to Earth, and again of that life existing at the same time we exist. Maybe there something roughly analogous to human intelligence somewhere in the galaxy, and maybe it has been around long enough to start exploring space, but then we come to the distance problem, and with that a time problem of being able to get here.

You'd hope that, having overcome such vast challenges, the aliens would have something better to do than buzz us and not even stop to say 'hi'

 

I agree that many UFO's are possibly terrestrial in origin. It seems that with secret projects there could be all sorts of UFO-like craft in existence. But I also believe that even though that's the case, there will be a remnant that will be extraterrestrial in origin.

The speed of light is the law that limits us from reaching far away places in space. But that limit goes away once a civilization learns the unified field theory. Then they could warp space and go farther than standard propulsion systems.

 

I think UFOs may be intrusions from a parallel universe.

 

How do you know that?

How do you know that?

You are claiming to know the limits of science. You don't. You can only speak to what we understand today. But we aren't done. And there are many hints of methods to exceed the speed of light, but not in a classical sense. Give us another million years and who knows.

There could be races of beings billions of years more advanced than we are. We don't know what is and isn't ultimately possible,

It is possible that any sufficiently advanced race will discover FTL travel and visiting aliens are a foregone conclusion. Prove me wrong.

 

Not-necessarily, the same way you know everything that you know. Not-necessarily.

 

That doesn't make sense.

You made statements as facts when they may or may not be facts. You don't know.

Here is a quote from a kindred spirit of yours: If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings.

 

As contingent beings, we know what we know contingently, or in other words, not-necessarily. You asked me how I know something. I answered not-necessarily. That is also the way you know what you know. You know it not-necessarily. All of our knowledge is contingent upon us coming to know it. Our knowledge is contingent in its being. We don't know anything necessarily.

 

Chance? Did you know that scientist consider odds of 10 to the 50th absurd.. the chance of a single protien forming by chance is 10 to the 650... that more then all the atoms in the universe.. somebody created this whole thing. That's the only sane explanation for the universe and intelligent life.

 

Matter doesn't exist necessarily, as is evidenced by the fact that it is subject to change.
Something can't come from nothing. "Chance" is just another way of saying "nothing".

 

Most UFOs at least are not even flying machines, but anything from natural phenomena to equipment malfunctions and human error or dishonesty.

 

Given what was witnessed at skinwalker ranch by that team of scientists nothing surprises me anymore.

It just tells me we only think we know.

 

But then you have the tic tac. craft that jammed targeting radar but was seen by several pilot eyes and various cameras on fighter jets .

Our problem is our monkey brains that have such false certainty .

 

Well, if "god did it" I would point out that there isn't any real reason to believe He did it only in one place. The other places could be in this universe or some other universe if there are more universes.

Put another way, I do not believe that finding life somewhere else proves there is no god - and I bet you don't, either.


As for your thoughts on chance:

Chance produces the raw material for selection. As a crazy illustration, you can roll a few million dice. Then, pick out all the low pip count dice and roll them again. Then do this over and over.

The combination of chance and selection will improve the total pip count.

I would probably agree with you that chance wasn't a "force" that improved the total pip count. But, chance had an important role in the process (pardon the pun). And, selection also had an important part to play - that of removing the failures.

 

Unless interdimensional, FTL or wormhole travel is technologically possible.

 

Eons ago there was a mutation in the FOXP2 gene that altered the human larynx, giving us distinct capabilities for language/speech far beyond those of our nearest related species. Assuming the mutation was a chance occurrence influenced by increased radiation due to some dramatic environmental incident involving a solar or celestial disturbance, I'd say that was a creative (beneficial) effect of chance.

 

Chance + selection still gives no gain because chance gives no gain to select from. Chance is not a creative force.
Nothing becomes more functionally complex by chance.