UFOs & U.S. Silence

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  1. historycircus

    historycircus New Member

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    I wanted to start a conversation about the UFO phenomenon.

    Recently, the British, French, and Mexican governments have released material - documents and videos - that makes it very clear that these governments take this phenomenon very seriously. There is now official military footage of round and triangular craft that move in incredible, traditional physics defying ways. There is testimony of hardened, military and commercial pilots with college degrees and 30+ year careers who say something is up there, and it scares the shxt out of the Earth's governments.

    The U.S., the nation at the forefront of military aircraft engineering, has some amazing prototypes that can do some sci-fi-esque things (cloaking a la "Star Trek" - via new "light bending" technology), but there is not an operational craft that can come close to moving like these things do.

    The U.S. governement, despite its denials, pays very close attention to this matter. Google "Project Blue Book" and you will get the story of how the U.S.'s interest has evolved, and been denied, since the 1940s.

    There is what is called the "Disclosure Movement" - a movement on the part of those who want the U.S. government to disclose what they know much like other nations. The U.S. governement is pretty hard nosed on this issue, and wants no transparency - they are prepared to let conspiracy theories of the most wild nature flourish rather than disclose.

    So the question I grapple with is why? Isn't this phenomenon, if real, one of the most important events in human history? Why doesn't the media bedevil the government for answers instead of spending all their time measuring the stain patterns on White House interns' clothing? Why does it seem like most people don't even want to contemplate the possibility, or even discuss it?

    Just some thoughts.
     
  2. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's the panic factor. People getting so mad when the government can't handle things like Katrina, or the oil spill, is proof that people want their government to be able to handle any situation flawlessly. Announcing UFOs are real, would be those type of situations times a thousand.
     
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    Even though the announcement's a lil' pre-mature, Uncle Ferd says dey's preparin' us...
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    U.N. denies appointing Earth's 'first contact' for aliens
    Tuesday 28th September, 2010 - The United Nations has dismissed reports that it is set to appoint an obscure Malaysian astrophysicist to act as Earth's first contact for any aliens that may come visiting.
     
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    We have met the enemy and he is us...
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    Study: Be Wary of Space Visitors
    January 10, 2011 - When considering the prospect of alien life, humankind should prepare for the worst, according to a new study: Either we're alone, or any aliens out there are acquisitive and resource-hungry, just like us.
     
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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Are Sci-Fi movies Being Manipulated By The Pentagon?...
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    Are movies featuring UFOs and aliens being manipulated by Pentagon?
    January 18th, 2011 - Sunday night on Coast to Coast Radio, George Knapp's guest was Bryce Zabel, creator of the TV series “Dark Skies” which aired on NBC from 1996 to 1997. Zabel appeared on the show to discuss his opinion on whether or not the government is manipulating Hollywood to produce movies and television programs dealing with UFOs and aliens as a way to prepare us for full disclosure.
     
  6. DarnellW

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    In Pennsylvania, Grays have taken at least one person and killed him. His name is Todd Sees. The Grays are in the body part business. What the world does not need is a race of people who use our body parts to make a living.

    http://darnellwilliamsword.blogspot.com/2011/01/danger-you-people-are-in.html

    See my blog above for details.

    http://darnellwilliamsword.blogspot.com/2011/02/why-should-you-care-about-alien-contact.html

    :gun:What we do not need is another African Slave Trade situation where the Grays sell us technology in exchange for body parts instead of slaves.

    http://darnellwilliamsword.blogspot.com/2010/12/astronaut-gordon-cooper-and-astronaut.html

    These people are already here. Astronaut Gordon Cooper and others have already explained this.

    http://darnellwilliamsword.blogspot.com/2010/12/hostile-aliens-part-2.html

    View this full disclosure video.
     
  7. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Jennifer Gray?
    :omg:
     
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    i've got a body part i'd love to give her. :date:
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xag3oOzvU68"]YouTube - Neil deGrasse Tyson: UFO Sightings[/ame]
     
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    Over many decades we heard countless stories of UFO sightings but there were relatively very few moving or still pictures to document the sightings. Now when most people carry cell phones with capability of taking moving & still pictures, we seem to hear fewer stories of UFO sightings. This speaks volumes that UFO phenomenon is not very credible.

    If we are to be visited by beings from other planets, it would make more sense to encounter various robotic craft initially before they sent live beings.

    If there truly are UFOs (flying saucers) being seen they are more likely created by earthlings than some alien life form from another planet. Think about it, UFOs created secretly by man could prove quite useful for uniting all nations against one common threat to mankind. If the US government is behind such a plan, it would make sense that they spend lots of money and time researching the UFO phenomenon in order to make it seem like a legitimate topic to be taken seriously.

    Think about this too. At a time in history when the economy, and government is heading towards a global system, there is an increasing need to unite all countries. What better tool than a UFO & alien presence could there be to unite all countries together to either fight off the threat, or follow the advise of some aliens of some advanced race? Doesn't it seem odd that the "aliens" have arrived at this precise moment in time?


    ---pete---
     
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    aliens know about cell phone cameras. :|
     
  12. DarnellW

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    So I guess Todd Sees is dead from what? Found by police officers who claim that he is missing organs using no means known to man. We have technicians saying that they have witnessed people taken into ships then brought back missing organs. I guess they are just trying to cover up a murder.

    We have Astronaut Gordon Cooper and others who claim they seen space ships. The Apollo 11 crew claim that they were escorted to the moon by a space ship. They did not go to the moon anyway so why believe them. I suppose that what they seen means nothing anyway. Neil can't test it.

    From what Neil says, don't believe anything unless you can hold it in your hands. So don't believe the objects taken out of people's bodies. They were not placed there by aliens because no one saw the aliens put it there.

    If you want to be like Neil and declare that if he did not see it, smell it, or touch it, it is not real then go ahead. According to Neil, Jesus is not real either.

    Stay in denial and don't worry about it until they come after you!
     
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    You can tell Neil that he can call a scientist instead of a policeman when he wants a murder investigated.

    Possible ET Abduction and Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported
    From Peter Davenport
    Director - National UFO Reporting Center
    www.UFOCenter.com
    9-10-2​

    Occurred : 8/2/2002 17:30 (Entered as : 8/2/2002 5:30 Pm)
    Reported : 8/29/2002 2:56:17 PM 14:56
    Posted : 9/6/2002
    Location : Northumberland, PA

    Shape : Disk (NUFORC Note: We have contacted a local newspaper in Northumberland County, and to the police officer who served as investigator of the case. The newspaper confirms that the incident occurred, although the police officer stated that the decedant's remains had been returned to the family, contrary to the claims made by some regarding this case. The official report will be released in late September, according to the police officer, and we will attempt to obtain a copy of it. --PD)

    I will be as brief as possible. A man named Todd Sees was abducted and murdered by aliens on Montour Ridge in Northumberland County near the town of Northumberland, Pa. This is a big sloppy coverup if there ever was one.

    Todd Sees, the victim, lived at the foot of Montour Ridge, a mountain stretching over 20 miles east. Todd Sees went up the mountain to look for preseason deer. He told his wife that he would be home by noon. He rode his 4 wheeler up the powerline behind his home at a little after 5:00 in the morning. Noon came and no Todd. His wife and children became concerned. At 2:00 a search party was organized and local police, state police, paramedics, and 200 volunteers helped search for Todd Sees.

    The 4 wheeler was found on the top of the mountain near a powerline. Tracking dogs could find nothing to go on around the 4 wheeler. The search went on for 2 days and over 6 miles of mountain were covered from top to bottom. Todd had vanished with out a trace. The 4 wheeler was - keep in mind - 2 miles from his home at the foot of the mountain. A pond a few hundred yards from the house was even searched by skin divers just so they overlooked nothing. Dogs were over the whole area constantly no results. No trace.

    Then, in the evening of the 2nd day, something white was spotted in a large brushy area 25 feet from the pond. Police and rescue workers spent 20 minutes cutting and hacking brush and small trees so they could reach what looked like a body. It was Todd Sees. He was wearing his underwear. He was emaciated - not bloated. He was white. He had an expression of horror on his face. When he went up the mountain he was fully-dressed, boots, camo vest, hat, socks, pants.

    The FBI showed up with in 30 minutes (of Todd's discovery -ed). They took charge. They would not let his wife look at her dead husband no matter how much she tried. The FBI asked questions around the area...neighbors, mostly farmers.

    3 farmers on one farm said they saw a large round bright object just above thje powerlines at the time of the disappearance. It was silent, it did not move for about 10 to 15 minutes. It suddenly went up...and suddenly stopped. A light shined down and something, appeared to be a man, head up, waving his arms, was pulled up into the light. The object then went straight up, hesitated again, then went west over the Susquehanna River and out of sight.

    A police friend of mine said after 2 autopsies, nothing was found. A toxicology test revealed nothing. No visible cuts or bruises anywhere except from the brush. Now the body is at Allentown,from there it is going to Fort Indiantown Gap, Pa. The wife was told she cannot have the body for 6 to 8 weeks. A boot was found a mile from the 4 wheeler a few days ago at the top of a tree. It was his. I notice military copters have been scouring the mountain ever since at least once a day.

    Tell Neil that this was not an Unidentified Flying Object (UFO), it was an Indentified Flying Object (IFO). Three people saw Todd Sees taken into the ship. So next time he teaches about Super Novas, he better make sure that he sees for himself the full Cycle of star birth to explosion (several billion years of history) before he tells other people how it works. Use the same logic toward that as he does with Alien beings. :puke:
     
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    Uncle Ferd sees lil' green men sometimes - when he's had too much to drink...

    Former Canadian Defense Official Blasts US on UFO Cover-Up
    Feb 25, 2011 - If a previous minister of national defense of a big country started talking publicly about his belief that some UFOs are interplanetary vehicles carrying visitors to Earth, would you believe him or not?
     
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    Granny says if ya come across a live one, don't lissen to `em - dey'll tell ya its the Rapture to try an' get ya in their spaceship...
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    'Dead Alien' Video on YouTube Goes Viral
    April 19, 2011 - Video of 'Dead Alien' Spotted in Russia Draws Nearly 1.5 Million Views on YouTube
    See also:

    Siberian snow job: 'Dead alien' video is a hoax
    UFO crash is shot down as good movie but bad lie, not unexplained mystery
     
  16. Samuel H

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    We also have very few photos of airplanes crashing, or meteors in motion, or ball lighthing.

    It speaks volumes about your assumption but nothing about the facts. Show me the evidence that UFO reports are on the decline. And if someone does get a photo, there is no way to prove it isn't faked. There is tons of stuff on the internet with no possible way to know what if anything is legitimate.

    There is a classic fallacy at work here: Skeptics demand the very evidence that no one will accept! If I were to say, here's a photo, you would simply deny its authenticity. And there is no way to prove a negative - that I didn't fake it.

    Perhaps. But that is still just a guess.

    The most interesting element of the most interesting UFO reports is often that the technology reported peforms beyond any any technology we might imagine at this time. While there are black projects, there is no black fundamental physics. The secrets can only go so far. We still know what is and is not possible beyond a certain point.
     
  17. Samuel H

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    There are plenty of official reports that can be downloaded on the internet from government archives, like this one.
    http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/routing_slip_ufo_iran.pdf
    or this one
    http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/ufo/dep_ba1.pdf

    What secret? The problem is the the cold war generated approximately a billion documents that are still awaiting declassification. It would be of great cost and very time consuming to search through all of those docs for anything related to UFOs. On the other hand, if you know what to ask for, you can probably get a copy through the FOIA. That's how we got many of the docs that we have available to us today. Someone filed a FOIA request for a specific doc and it was released.

    One can go back and see that information blacked out is often irrelevant to the UFO report. That is done to protect people's privacy.

    My theory is that no one, including the governments of the world, including the US government, knows what's going on. Everyone is in the dark. This explanation is consistent with the known facts.
     
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    So please explain how Todd Sees was murdered? If UFO do not exist then someone went through a lot and spent a lot of money just to kill an average country citizen. I know the area. I know people who knew him. I been to Monroe Ridge. So the people, place, and report exist. The witnesses exist. Read the report in my earlier blog about him.

    This is the smoking gun showing that they are here and they want you!
     
  19. Samuel H

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    Your story is nothing but anecdotes. I knew a drunk who claimed he was the fifth Beatle. Does that mean it was true? Show me scientific evidence for any claim of alien intervention. Scientists would love to find evidence for this. It would probably be an instant Nobel Prize for someone.

    You went on to cite examples of people like Gordon Cooper, who have freely discussed their experiences and lived to tell the story again. So again I ask, what secret? There are plenty of people from the military and intelligence communities who have gone public with their claims. In fact, this is where the bulk of the most credible information is found!

    So again I ask, what secret?

    But you took my comments out of context. I didn't say anything about the truth or not of the claim of alien visitations. I just said I see no evidence for a coverup.
     
  20. DarnellW

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    Two groups of people seen Todd Sees go up into the ship. I think for you to be convinced, you have to see it on the evening news with an interview of the aliens. Do you know that we have people walking around claiming that man did not land on the moon? The Astronauts are here to tell us that they did. We have people who claim that the Nazis did not have death camps when Allied forces and survivors were there. Do you know that less than 100 years after Jesus beat dead and ascended into heaven, people claim that Jesus was never alive to begin with? Anything that is not common in life someone will be around to say that this never happened.


    http://ufomedia.blogspot.com/2009/12/ufos-and-human-mutilations.html

    The above link is to a lecture that Butch Witkoski, a homicide detective with 27 years experience gave at the PA MUFON Conference.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW0Hjr2vT5k&playnext=1&list=PLE535AF1A9A1E6E90"]YouTube - Butch Witkowski UFOs And Human Mutilations Part 3 of 4[/ame]
    Butch Witkowski UFOs And Human Mutilations Part 3 of 4

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwhb_g0Q_NM&playnext=1&list=PLE535AF1A9A1E6E90"]YouTube - Butch Witkowski UFOs And Human Mutilations Part 4 of 4[/ame]
    Butch Witkowski UFOs And Human Mutilations Part 4 of 4

    Let's look at the rest of the Butch Witkowski, UFOs And Human Mutilations lecture. Look at part 3 and part 4.

    Look at the other investigations that he has been conducting.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R36j5baHu24&feature=related"]YouTube - Human Multilations Conclussion Part 5 Of 6[/ame]

    How about the US Army/Alien fire fight in the Vietnam War!

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ0biCrUuiU&feature=related"]YouTube - UFO's And human multilations conclussion Part 6 of 6[/ame]

    This is Butch's conclusion

    Does any of this help you to see that not only are we visited but some of these 57 Alien life forms here visiting Earth are killing us and using us for body parts.
     
  21. Samuel H

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    No, it tells me that you have waaaaaaay too much time on your hands.

    This is an intersting subject. Why do you insist on discrediting it with nonsense?
     
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    I do my homework and I know for a fact that they exist. Thank you for your conversation about them. As the old Government retirees with Cosmic Clearances start to die off, we will find out more about alien contact with these beings.

    I am sure that in the near future, you will find out the truth first hand. I just hope that you take it better than when I saw my first alien. I thought I was ready but when the time came, I found out that I was not. I ran and was shaken up all week. I don't talk about it much because people like you will just think I am making it up or just crazy.

    Hey Sam, the Earth is flat. Don't let anyone tell you different! Just joking...
     
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    Alright, I'm all ears. Tell me about your alien.
     
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    My girlfriend and I was doing our food shopping one evening at our local Giant in Linglestown, Pa. She had me turn my attention to this very skinny White woman who was walking with a puppet like movement. From documents that I read about aliens, this is how they claim that some of them walk. Most people would not know or think that aliens would be in their supermarket so no one would look at them. Besides, few people really look at people when they are busy going about their business. Most people would think that someone looking like her had a medical problem.

    I could not see her face because her back was to me. I could tell that she was just loitering, not shopping. That also got my interest. My girlfriend who was watching her before me just thought she was skinny and ugly.

    When she turned around so that I can see her face, I was just 10 feet away from her. She had no whites in her eyes. They look like animal eyes. Her blond hair looked like a bad wig. Obviously, she was a Alien hybrid. She looked at me and I turned and ran.

    Obviously, she was in the store doing research on human social habits. My girlfriends says that I like to talk about aliens but when it comes to meeting them, I run and hide. She is right because I do not know their intentions or what they are capable of doing and I don't want to have a fatal bad day!:twisted:
     
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    Sam, you ask why these UFO reports have died off in recent years? You brought up the fact that because people have cameras, people cannot report fake UFOs anymore. Here is a person, George Noory who had a lot to do with UFO research over the last 40 years. He knows nothing about abductions but knows all about alien beings here on Earth. I gave you the people who investigate abductions.

    Please keep in mind that we have 57 different species here on Earth. They are here for different reasons and they are doing different things. Some are friends and some are not.

    Also I will give you my blog on the Alien Colony that we have on the Indian Chinese border.

    http://darnellwilliamsword.blogspot.com/2011/03/mosses-space-alien.html
    The Alien Colony on the Indian Chinese Border-- Moses, the Space Alien

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCLO5E24Hws&feature=related"]YouTube - Coast to Coast AM - 1 of 8 UFOs & ET Visitation[/ame]
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