UK: Hospitals to Deny Care to “Racist” or “Homophobic” Patients

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  1. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Well, America was so racist it wouldn't even let blacks donate blood during WWII.

    About 12% of the NHS were foreigners in 2018 =

    Top five nationalities of non-EEA NHS staff in England
    1. Indian - 18,348
    2. Filipino- 15,391
    3. Nigerian - 5,405
    4. Zimbabwean - 3,899
    5. Pakistani - 3,375
    One in eight National Health Service (NHS) England staff are not British nationals, and people from a total of 201 foreign nationalities work for NHS England.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-44397315

    So, maybe the average English person is the one who is being racist and/or homophobic by making disparaging remarks to the people who were hired to provide medical care to the English people?
     
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    TheGreatSatan Banned

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    People who know will understand you're proving my point :twisted:
     
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  3. guavaball

    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    LOL No I wasn't. You really should read more carefully.

    Never read an editorial when you can ready the actual law.

    3 (1) For all purposes of this Act, the prohibited grounds of discrimination are race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, disability and conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered.

    4 Subparagraph 718.‍2(a)‍(i) of the Act is replaced by the following:

    (i) evidence that the offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity or expression, or on any other similar factor,


    There was and is only one question. Does the law now as its written not interpreted by a far left excuse page or an editorial allow the fining and jailing of someone for using the wrong pronoun just as it does for and I quote again discrimination are race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, disability and conviction for an offence ?

    Answer: Yes :)

    The Ontario Human Rights Commission has stated, in the context of equivalent provisions in the Ontario Human Rights Code, that “refusing to refer to a trans person by their chosen name and a personal pronoun that matches their gender identity … will likely be discrimination when it takes place in a social area covered by the Code, including employment, housing and services like education.”

    Actual government website not a far left editorial trying to justify it-----> http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-16/royal-assent

    No I actually quoted the law and the penalties for violating the Ontario Human Rights Code which this idiocy is now a part of and that includes fines, fines which that are refused can result in jail time.

    http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/part-i-–-freedom-discrimination/punishment-exercising-rights

    Next time actually read the law Joe.


    and if you need a real life example of someone being fined under the human rights code that pronouns are now included under no need to go far

    http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/news_centre/casino-tour-operator-fined-violating-workers-rights



    Now that you've been shown the actual law how can you pretend Canada is not far from implementing the exact same policy the UK is with hospitals?
     
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    Is this what happens when healthcare becomes a right?
     
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    Blaster3 Well-Known Member

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    evidently you havent read the laws in ny...

    same for every other occurrance where you spew your bs, while never actually giving any facts in rebuttal, instead you spin spin...


    peace be with you...
     
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    Comparing todays culture to 1940s culture is only to make things fall into your favor because no countries practices laws like that in the first world.

    Openly allowing discrimination does not help discrimination.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You guys are beyond belief at your demands to be abusive to hospital staff as they care for you.
     
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    Its freakn scary
     
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    Next time at the hospital, I’ll tell them I was an Obama volunteer, ringing door bells door-to-door.

    Just to be sure.

    “Did I tell you I worked for Obama?”
     
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    As any healthcare worker will tell you, taking abuse from patients is absolutely part of the job description.
     
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    George Orwell would oppose todays leftists.
     
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    I did read the law (and not just the bill amending it which doesn't really tell you anything); https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/H-6/page-1.html#docCont

    No, not for just using the wrong pronoun in a general context. Randomly calling a black person the n-word wouldn't either. The law applies to direct discrimination in specified contexts. Constantly and intentionally refusing to use a chosen pronoun or name to an employee, colleague or customer could well fall foul of the law (and rightly so). A one-off mistake is never going to get to a court case.

    The key here is to apply a little common sense rather than go on a wild journey of fantasy and imagination based on your personal biases and assumptions.

    I never claimed nobody could be fined under the law. That link refers to the company "committing an act of reprisal against a female employee who had settled a related human rights complaint" and a "wilful and egregious violation". Simple misusing a pronoun isn't anything like that and committing similar acts against an employee simply because they're transgender would be a perfectly valid application of the law.

    Actually the proposed policy changes in the NHS are fairly distinct from actual discrimination laws elsewhere (or indeed in the UK) and are more about changing the options on the basis of the seriousness of behaviour rather than the motives behind it. Again, people are reading headlines and jumping to conclusions based on their personal biases.
     
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    That isn't what this is about.
     
  14. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The left is incapable of understanding the dangers of a strong centralized government injecting itself into every aspect of life.

    If you told them that under a centralized healthcare system illegal immigrants could be denied service, they would flip enlist.

    It is inherently dangerous that PC agendas can impact ones ability to obtain healthcare. End. Of. Story.

    When can we stop with this constant reliance on government for some of you? Pull your pants up and be big girls and boys. Christ.
     
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    The eagle-eyed amongst you will notice that the statement refers to non-emergency care for people who are guilty of harassment, bullying or discrimination.
    Considering the rising rates of violence against NHS employers this seems perfectly reasonable.
    Simple really, if you want to receive healthcare then don't abuse the hardworking employees attempting to treat you.
    Do you think anyone in the private sector would put up with that sort of behaviour?
     
  16. Montegriffo

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    You do realise that the UK has had a Conservative government for the last 10 years?
     
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    Weren't you the one applauding states allowing medical, psychological, educational, housing, adoption and employment to be denied for LGBT persons?

    All the doors y’all cheered being opened for blatant discrimination, when y’all are laying in the hospital floor suffering because you are unable to receive any treatment think of it as ironic justice of your own making.

    Enjoy!
     
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    Sure they do! For regular people...
    Maybe the bigots can form their own healthcare?
     
  19. Montegriffo

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    That doesn't make it acceptable.
     
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    It also doesn't necessitate the government stepping in and policing it.
     
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    If you did you wouldn't be denying reality.

    Can you even remember what I said? My statement was that you can be fined and jailed for not paying the fine if you use the wrong pronoun. Nothing in your excuses for this violation of free speech changes that reality.

    You mean like not being able to read the argument of your opponent?

    LOL Actually you did when you denied what I said.

    Will you please read more carefully? The only reason that was given to you was to prove under the law you can be fined if its considered violated so nothing has changed. If you use the wrong pronoun you can be fined and jailed if you don't pay the fine.

    I understand you are desperate to run from the actual law but let's review what I said.

    You can be fined and jailed for not paying the fine for using the wrong pronoun.

    Of course the answer is yes. The law states you absolutely can be and I gave you an example of the violation of the act this idiocy was added to the Ontario Human Rights Commission where fines were levied out under that provision.

    So instead of admitting your mistake you double down on context which changes nothing as if its ok to violate free speech if someone feels you are being intentional.

    Now are you going to continue to deny reality and get back to the subject of my original question or not honestJoe?
     
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  22. guavaball

    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    Nope but I'm not surprised you got that wrong as well.

    Ah yes the persecution complex that has zero bearing on the subject. Making up arguments your opponent never used to circumvent the actual subject. What a shocker.
     
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    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    That doesn't make your feelings more important than denying care to someone.

    But I'm sure you and the rest of the far left would be openly defending a pro life doctor who refused abortions on a government salary because they felt they were being discriminated against those who don't believe in abortion right?
     
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    My sister works in a clinic in New Jersey and somebody once told her to go back to her own country - she told them she had a right not to be abused at work - she told me this last time she was in London.
     
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    Take control of vital resources so you then have complete control of the hearts and minds...literally. Quite Orwellian. The left is quite naive.
     

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