Well I wonder if this is what the leavers wanted. Our immigration from the EU is down to around 74,000 for obvious reasons..but.....our immigration from other parts of the world particularly the BBC said Asia is up to 248,000 and the difference between those we lost and those who came was 273,000 last year, that is there are 273,000 more people just that they come more from the commonwealth than from Europe. EU net migration was the lowest since 2012 Non EU net migration was the highest since 2004 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46384...mmigration&link_location=live-reporting-story Do you think the Brexiteer Leaders are hoping non EU migrants will work for less?
fab....but still too many Bulgarian, Rumanian, Hungarian wannabe car wash operatives pitching up on a daily basis... there's a camp appeared between the link roads (on the little islands) at Junction 10 on the M20...they're setting up plastic sheet tents with cars and trucks running past them....I mean why can't they just piss off back from whence they came!! Oh yeah I forgot they're great for the economy as they contribute more than they take out...shame they can't clean up the piss bottles that the Bulgarian, Rumanian and Hungarian lorry drivers hurl out their cab windows before they get to the junction 11a exit
Not going to be good for quality of life, and many people are already struggling with housing affordability in the overpacked cities. I predict it will be the younger generation that will be hit the hardest. They likely won't complain too much because that's all they've ever known.
This idea that the inflow is steady so there is nothing to worry about reminds me of claims by politicians that the budget deficit is not increasing. Well so what? That still means the country is getting into more debt every year! For the immigrant population to remain "steady" that would essentially mean we would have to have no immigration!
Can you provide a link to this. My search just provided a) work going on on the M20 and b) regular camps sites.
I was more curious at the change in who is coming in. With EU workers leaving as many are and few coming in I hear we are going to be short of many workers particularly concerning agriculture and medical staff - doctors and nurses. I think it is interesting that when we are losing our EU migrants the Government appears to be regulating this by increasing workers from outside the EU - presumably to make up the shortfall in these numbers - though there could be another reason. Our debt was not caused by EU migrants. As the Scotsman says they gave more than they took.
Just what we saw coming back from the Ashford Outlet center last Saturday afternoon....there's also a bunch of them pitched up on the building site just off where the new Amazon warehouse place is being built...they pitch-up for a few days and then get moved on...I don't know where you live but we are amply supplied with tent people in Kent
How did you know this was Hungarian, Bulgarian and Romanian people? I did a search for what you say about them camping all over the place but no results. I did notice however that a lot of work has been going on on roads due to the expected long delays after Brexit. https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-motorway-is-possible-post-brexit-lorry-park
I was Leave all the way, every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Anyone with a brain will know that we require immigration to keep our economy going and to pay pensions etc as us white Europeans simply do not have enough children (Thanks progressivism). The problem with immigration is not how many or where from, the problem is an open door policy which allows the worst of other nations to simple stroll in unchecked and unchallenged. I couldn't care less if 300,000 people come from Nigeria, so long as they want to integrate and have skills to offer. I know the media like to have you think that the vote was based on getting migration down to zero and everyone who voted leave dislikes foreigners but you've been fed a lie there.
Not with eveyone but it was the thing which was pushed the hardest. I read voters of leave came particularly from three distinct groups, the over 65 group from some nostalgic belief in a past which did not exist then and could not now, people suffering the worst austerity who in general accept the us and them being promoted but mainly voted leave to tell the Government what they thought of them and had lost hope anyway. They will likely be the people worst hit by Brexit....and a fair size of the very rich who hope to make a bob or two out of it. Those seem to be the main groups and you cannot deny that immigration and getting more money for the health service was the propaganda used - even suggesting we would get less refugees if people voted for it. Of course there were others which stood outside this, some on the left, fishermen and other miscellaneous people. http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/...exit-is-the-wrong-diagnosis-of-a-real-crisis/ I do not know how old you are but integrating is a two way process. I was around when our Pakistani community could not have gone more out of their way to try and integrate - even giving up Islam, in the 70's 80's. That did not help them get jobs or be accepted. The Government encouraging the Saudi's to create more mosques and teach them about Islam brought them back to Islam but not the Islam of their tradition and they said they were drawn to this as it gave them a sense of belonging they were not getting anywhere else but it was not till after the reaction to 9/11 when there were 270 attacks, including at least one killing of Muslims and their properties in the 2 weeks following it that they drew together for safety. Things are rarely one sided. So which do you prefer them? Do you prefer EU migrants or non EU migrants?
I am 32. I personally have no preference on migrants, my criteria is speaking our language, adopting a British way of life and the skills they have to offer, I base that on my own principles as if I were to move to a different country, I would be a guest and also my belief that multi-culturalism doesn't work and will only ever lead to civil unrest. I completely understand and agree with your point that more needs to be done from our own point of view to help integration, the past 20-30 years have shown a failure to address this problem. There are definitely different groups of people who voted for different reasons. There was an older group who voted on nostalgia, some voted because they do not like anyone different from them and others voted because they see the direction of the EU and do not want to be a part of it. Equally, the remain side had it's own fair share of voters who voted for what I would call the wrong reasons. Voting to stay because you want free travel across Europe and could potentially live abroad in the future isn't an acceptable reason. Then again, I am of the belief that the vote never should've happened. I like strong leadership and not politicians who try to please everyone. Theresa 'wet flannel' May personifies this. For me, we come all the way out or we stay in. The deal offered is atrocious and pleases nobody. And please do not get me started on Saudi Wahhabism. The cancer of Islam.
The vote itself was Cameron's way of placating the Tory hard right. He never expected a Yes. I don't though agree about not wanting to travel and live in Europe being an unacceptable reason. Lots of young people want to have the opportunity that Europe offers for work. That is a main reason for them wanting to be in the EU. I believe we are in a very unpredictable situation at the moment, both with Europe and with the world. As such I do not think it is a good time to make major changes and this one does feel like it could go down as the worse that the Government has ever made for the UK. I voted in favour of staying in but working for change from within as in Diem25
Of course, Cameron only offered the referendum otherwise a huge portion would've voted UKIP and we would've had a Labour government. Although I think I'd rather face financial ruin than to have entertained Ed Miliband being Prime Minister! I am not sure that we could change the EU from within, we have always been an outsider and they will press on with their European dream even more when/if we leave. I can't see the deal going through and everything to stay as it was, only we are now left with a divided country where I see little hope of compromise. The divisions are deep, they are racial, political, age related, religion based, and class related - a delightful mix. Each has their own opinion and would say they are right. My argument would be that you can travel or live in Europe whether we in or out of the European Union but hey, we all have different passions and beliefs. O' how boring the world would be if we all thought the same.
If you check the link I gave you will find it is not about Britain working for change in the EU alone but all the countries working for democratic non neo liberal change but I suspect your political allegiance might say no to that. I was not talking about travelling to the EU but the extra work opportunities it gives. My daughter's partner works part of the time in Germany and is concerned he is going to lose that work once we leave the EU. True UKIP may be the one gain in this.....or Corbyn might. The Tory party is in disarray. The 'kingdom' is not united. The future, if there is one, is unknown. In reality it probably is as the LSE article I linked to before suggested, the last ditch attempt to save neoliberalism. It should also not be forgotten that Brexit is overwhelmingly English Nationalist. The only hope I am seeing at the moment is if Corbyn Labour gets in. If not the likelihood of us moving to a hard right country as the US is, is strong and that could include us turning our backs on climate change and basically walking like Zombies towards the death of the planet where there will be no future at all for our children or grandchildren. http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/...exit-is-the-wrong-diagnosis-of-a-real-crisis/ Diem 25 is belatedly reaching out to progressives of the world https://diem25.org/diem25-teams-up-...tute-to-launch-the-progressive-international/ The hard right have been doing this for some time so there is a lot of work to make up.
It looks like immigration is not going to go the way of the Propaganda of Brexit. What else? This is a neat video produced by Stephen Fry yesterday
Most of these Asian migrants are students from China and India, numbering 239,000. If you subtract students from the net immmiration figure from non-EU countries, the real number of non-EU migrants may be just tens of thousands, which is below the government's target. International students are not allowed to work while studing in the UK and they are harmless when it comes to taking your jobs.
You didn't put in a source but I found out it was the Times. The headline also says Also is 2017 the suggestion was that students coming into the UK had been falling since 2010 (though not necessarily Chinese who seem to have been growing massively over recent years.) Unfortunately I cannot read the rest of the article. It would suggest the immigration figures are somewhat misleading. http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-10/12/c_136672931.htm However the issue of jobs is not so much taking them as Britain being without necessary workers after Brexit. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ration-uk-falls-lowest-level-almost-six-years I can't read this one either but the snippet seems to suggest as far as farmers are concerned https://www.ft.com/content/ad073fa8-b118-11e8-99ca-68cf89602132 as far as Dr's are concerned https://www.theguardian.com/society...-staff-could-hit-500m-post-brexit-say-doctors So if we go back to your suggestion that the number of Asian students and their dependants rose by 7% then it would appear that that is undoing the loss since 2010. However if we take the Times number of student Migrants being 239,000 then the Numbers no longer add up. Overall net migration was apparently 273,000 of the EU net migration was 74,000. Clearly if 239,000 of those counted were Chinese and Indian students then once the number of EU net migrants has been added we would be at 313,000 so something wrong there. In addition the BBC article says which does not go with what you claimed. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46384...mmigration&link_location=live-reporting-story It would help if you could put in more of your article so that we could see what they are talking about. There appears to be some dispute about numbers https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ration-uk-falls-lowest-level-almost-six-years However one thing is for sure, if you look at the BBC link you will see that non EU migration has been consistently higher than EU and even with the students you will notice that they are bringing in dependants. Hence though not providing needed workers to replace those lost from the EU, they may still provide the problems which people experienced with an influx of EU workers in lack of school places and difficulty in finding a Dr - these of course, as well as pay rates were something which the Government could and should have been dealing with anyway.
They lump Chinese and Indian migrants together with Pakistani, obscuring it all together under the designation "Asian". The UK population is already 14.5 percent foreign-born. That figure might jump to 30 percent if you include their recent children also.
