UK must accept free movement says EU

Blimey, 'sour grapes' or what!! You make diamond lil look like a well-wisher for the post-Brexit UK, G_M.

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I shall return!

 

Mild recession and the economy is shrinking at fastest rate since 2009.
You were saying?
Confidence low, jobs going to be lost, companies leaving. Yeah... Maybe you should stop reading fairy tales
You haven't even started the exit process.

 

Well if you are honest & actually re-read the posts, it wasn't myself that was making any arguments about the future & how bad things will be for Britain post a Brexit vote.

What ever does happen to our Nation once we leave the EU can only be a good thing. At least we will have a true democracy where the people are sovereign & can vote out the Goverenment. & the rest of the European slave monkeys will have to accept the European commission.

If all our freedom comes at some kind of cost, what evet that may be ... Well I would rather be free than a slave to the Globalist pro-Capital anti-democratic EU slave masters.

 

True democracy? You mean the British parliamentary system with its house of lords, nobles and monarchy?
You guys crack me up.
Tell me again how you democratically elected May?

 

Lunecat is talking nonsense. I wish he would provide some sources for his ridiculous claims. At least Cerberus admits he doesn't have any.

 

OMG since 2009?

LMAO.
P.S. The economy is growing.
Possibly at the slowest rate since 2009...

Not quite the same as what you are suggesting. Sort of the opposite actually.

Consult your sig.



The exit process has well and truly begun. It started with the referendum.
It remains to be seen whether we will use EU protocols or our own.
Whichever best suits us I expect.

We make our own rules now.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...b029a322bcf95e#block-57a1abf7e4b029a322bcf95e

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http://www.independent.ie/business/...-brexit-vote-services-pmi-shows-34903997.html

You might want to read some of the other news coming out.

 

In Britain we elect a political party, we don't elect political leaders. And it has was back in 1910 that the house of Lords lost all its power.

You ignorant people really crack me up! What next will you suggest? That the Monarch makes our laws? ... Oh no that is the EU.

 

The EU? How much influence did the EU actually have on your laws? 20%? You think that is going to be any less in the future? The only difference is that you won't have any influence.

The UK is no more democratic than the EU. I would argue less.
Do you have nobility, a house of lords and monarchy?
Democracy

 

More like 80% of our laws.

And once we are rid ourselves of the stench of the EU, we shall be more democractic.

But let us (within the UK) not forget (I don't expect any European to understand)

WestMinster does not have the right to give away power either to Brussels or to Holyrood. The British people are sovereign over Parliment & the British people must first give permission before any power they hold can be passed to another body.

As John Locke said :

"The legislative does not have the right to transfer the power of making laws to any other hands, for it being a deligated power from the people; they who have it can not pass it to others"

So voters entrust MP simply as agents with legislative powers but do not give them authority to transfer those powers.

And the EU commisson do not have the right to legislate over the British people

We in Britain have always been sovereign & you in Europe are not! That is why I call you slave monkeys.

 

They aren't allowed to make even one of our laws.
Not one.
Parliament has the only democratic mandate to do this.

re-consult your sig
Predictions for the future from the Bremainers are merely that. Predictions.

In actuality. Right now, growth

other future predictions...
http://www.britishchambers.org.uk/p...orecast-but-warns-on-longer-term-outlook.html

The British Chambers of Commerce (BCC) has upgraded its UK GDP growth forecast for the next two years, from 2.6% to 2.7% in 2015, and 2.4% to 2.6% in 2016, due to stronger than expected growth in household consumption and services. The latest forecast also makes the BCC’s first prediction for UK growth in 2017 - at 2.6%.

I think the recession of which you speak is your own.
Maybe you are projecting your own problems.


You want us to fail. You dream of it. It will validate your political ambitions.
But it is you who are failing.
We can help you. So stop being a dick.

 

Leave it then .. though that will hurt the EU more than it hurts us.

 

What a load of rubbish.

 

Rubbish.

In fact, the EU has - depending on how it is counted - 109 trade agreements with countries outside the EU. Over 100 have no “free movement of people” clause.
One example, the proposed and controversial EU - US Trade Agreement (known as TTIP) has NO free movement clause.

 

First of all, please stop this Propaganda BS of terms of “global elite” and tyranny …

The EU members signed an agreement of free movement of EU citizens inside the EU from one country to another one… and yes, this topic was one of these of the Brexit idiots and their BS lies.
First of all are of course many from eastern parts inside the UK and work and live there … ignoring that they are legally there, paying UK taxes and doing much for UK economy, as well creating new jobs too!
Secondly are we talking about jobs which majority of native UK people were not willing to do because minimum wage by law paid etc. … so which jobs were stolen by these people?
Thirdly it is fact that there is since ever a somehow anger against anyone coming to the UK and I felt this by my own when being forced to work there for a half year some years ago … and same feelings had my colleagues from France, Netherlands and Belgium too!
Fourthly this issue of free movement is no “one way” but goes into both directions! There are about 2.5 million UK citizens living and working outside the UK in the EU too …
Fifthly and finally, the British government still fought for an obstacle against these other EU citizens to be integrated etc.

And about the common EU market and the British access to it … well … we have the next BS of lie told by Farage, Johnson & Co trolls!
“With an exit we are over with this flood of EU legislations and regulations, but have further full access to the market…”! Sorry, but …
F A C T is that the UK has to follow this complete flood further if wanting to make business inside the EU market, but with one difference now: They have nothing to say or decide about the EU legislations, but only to follow like for example Norway or Switzerland!

And finally, these idiots really told that their success will be an example for others to follow for an exit out of the EU. Maybe someone will follow, who knows … but isn’t it ridiculous that the UK is now more likely on the way to change from Great Britain into “Little Britain” with only England and Wales?

 

more rubbish.

 

What is rubbish ... truth?
Sorry, but because you don't like these FACTS in your EU hate and welcoming the Brexit, it does not change truth!

P.S.

I named only 2 of these many BS slogans of the Brexit people and I clearly show what is the fact and truth!

 

What lies were those then?

 

You don't seem to realise that there is a difference between being in the single market and having access to it (which the UK will have).

By the time of completion of Brexit, we will have CONTROL of immigrant numbers and there will be an end to unlimited uncontrolled free movement.

Happy days.

 

The difference is that you will probably be forced pay more for access.
Oh... And you won't have any influence on the laws and regulations. You will still need to follow them though to get access to EU markets.

Can you get control over how many EU citizens can come to the UK (England)? Maybe... But that will probably cost you even more. Not to mention that you will have over a million UK citizens who will find themselves with some problems unless the EU shows them kindness.

 

Yes ... and to have this access to the EU market, the UK has to follow the same flood of EU legislations as now, but with one difference now: They have only to follow them with no saying and decisions about these legislation ... like Norway and Switzerland! I think you don't realize this FACT...

And yes ... you have control about immigration of other EU citizens, but these 2.5 million UK citizens who migrated into other EU countries will thank you for it, because they are will also not have any further free movement, when the UK is limiting it to EU citizens! I think you don't realize this too...

Really happy days ...

 

As a country that spends more on EU goods than the EU spends on our goods it is in the EU's interests to maintain trade with the UK. Imposing tariffs only self harms the EU, but if that's what they want to do then so be it. The German equivalent of the UK's CBI has already recommended no trade barriers.

And we had precious little influence of law making before. How many times was the UK overruled?

1 million UK citizens will be just fine and will be able to stay where they are right now in the EU. Should the EU foolishly decide to send them home then they can have their own citizens back too. It won't happen though, so don't panic. But, we must put a stop to unlimited uncontrolled EU immigration. The UK cannot cope with 330,000 immigrants every year (nett figure allowing for UK citizens moving out of the UK).

 

The EU is a declining organisation so the UK will trade more with the rest of the world and will adapt readily.

UK citizens who live in the UK will be able to take care of themselves, thank you. Their positions will not be problematic for them at all. Just wait and see how their status is negotiated.

We are taking in 330,000 immigrants a year with no control over numbers from the EU. This is unsustainable and must (will) end.

 

We have no use of a 'single market' when the currency of the the member states is about to fail; none of them will be able to afford to buy what we have to sell! The world is our oyster, and the sky's the limit (Aphorisms 'R Us ) from now on.

 

If you believe these fairy tales, so it should be ...

Facts ... not told by these Brexit trolls:

Immigrants from other EU countries are in the UK still in the minority. Most come from third countries.
The proportion of foreigners is in the UK under the EU average. However, it has doubled in recent years

And these immigration for third countries has NOTHING to do with the EU and the EU cannot be blamed about this! Why? Because the UK has not signed the Schengen agreement and so here they had and have always full own control about!

The EU is a declining organization you say ... well, I'm no friend of the EU in many things and their leaders as Junker are for sure not liked by me, but it is more possible that Great Britain will have his own exit issue with Scotland and Northern Ireland!
And that the UK will trade more with the rest of the world is a wishful thinking backed by nothing else as hope, because by fact 50% of exports go into the EU. So will be interesting how they will compensate this with rest of the world countries...