UK woman lost nursing license and facing criminal trial for anti-vaccine event

I do care, but I'm not naïve. I know how society works. I didn't mean to accuse you of being naïve. I meant to say that she was naïve.

This is evident when I say "identify themselves as a professional" which is what she did, not what you do.

 

Twaddle.

 

I am watching videos of her. Very interesting. She obviously will make more money as a speaker and activist than as a nurse. She also has the passion for it. I pray for guidance facts and truth to prevail in her heart and those she speaks to.

 

What state government??? Do you read your own links? This happened in a country called The United Kingdom, not in a state of the United States of America.

And like I said, NUMEROUS cases of people being fired for what they say in social media have existed, and the courts typically side with the employer.

People have the right to say it... and the employer has the right to fire them, when what they say damages the employer's public stance and reputation. If the public perceives that in a certain hospital, they employ a nurse who is a conspiracy nut who denies science and gives obviously wrong advice to people, thus making prospective patients choose a competitor instead, the hospital has all the right in the world to fire the person, in order to say, "no, we don't employ here this kind of people; when you come to us to be cared for in your moment of illness, our nurses are driven by science."

Same thing, when some Karen is found online spewing racist remarks. Many of these have lost employment because the employer said "we do not tolerate racism among our employees."

Sure, people have the right to say whatever they want... but they must be prepared to face the consequences of what they say, especially if they damage their employer's reputation.

 

Unlikely, especially if, as you suggest there's money in it for her.

 

Hmm that explains why corporate media, politicians, lawyers, and scientists like Fauci are all liars.

 

Bold part = nutsy conspiracy theories. So, she says the pandemic doesn't exist... LOL, that's based on the facts?

 

She would never obtain a nursing license in the United States, because licensing boards will want to know if she's been punished by a previous board, and she was. This question is part of the application process. The reason for the punishment was lack of professional decorum and misinforming the public while identifying herself as a professional. The American state boards will tend to adopt the same view and will deny her application for a license, period.

 

You are interpreting the wording in the code of conduct to fall into free speech areas.

As we both know, the code of conduct doesn't explicitly say "If you say things, or express opinions, outside your place of work that we disagree with, we will take away your license, and you will be prohibited by the government from working as a nurse."

Nobody agreed with that when the law was passed and when the code of conduct rules were adopted. It's kind of like making up the rules afterwards.

 

What sort of devolution is happening here? I have no desire to work with professionals who are loons.

if I see my lawyer on Twitter spouting murder is legal, or whatever, I can fire him

when it comes to my hospital care, it’s luck of the draw. I want science believers administering my health care, tyvm.

so, why are people actively signing up to remove standards of education and demonstration of capability from our health care professionals?

 

Okay then, what if she had identified herself as a professional but also made it clear in her statements that the nursing board would probably not agree with what she was saying?

You're saying a person should not have the right to identify themself as an expert when giving their opinions?

Translation: "Let's fire people for what they believe"
I guess you think it's okay for government to use its power to prevent her from working as a nurse.

 

Oh, the code of conduct actually says very similar things. You are obviously not a healthcare professional if you think it doesn't.

It's not "we disagree with" but it is not acceptable to misinform the public against accepted standards of care and evidence-based practice. Yes, there is wording to this effect in the conditions for granting a license to a healthcare professional, and yes, the license can be (and does get) cancelled when the person fails to uphold these standards. This has always been the case, much before this pandemic.

 

It’s not about agreeing. Such an odd thing.

if your kid’s chemistry teacher made YouTube videos recommending an ammonia/bleach cleaning solution, is that okay with you? It’s just like that.

 

Not really.

 

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if you identify yourself as a professional and then you issue statements that go contrary to standards of care and evidence-based practice, yes, licensing boards can (and do) revoke your license. Choices have consequences.

I've consulted for my State Medical Board in numerous occasions. I've seen these cases. Simply saying "the nursing board would probably not agree" doesn't cancel the misinformation she is spewing.

Look, if you say "I'm a lawyer. Murder is cool. I encourage people to murder others, when they find the person annoying. The Bar Association will likely not agree, but as a lawyer I'm saying, murder is cool."

If you're a lawyer, try it, and see how your Bar Association will react.

 

But it could be an arguable opinion that the board is actively engaging in misinforming the public by engaging in retaliation against this woman.

You see, what you are stating is not facts, but interpretations and opinions.

But you claim belief is fact. You've turned your politics and perspective of reality into a religion.

Just like the old days where the Inquisition was stamping out heretics because they were "spreading lies" and leading people to "false belief".

 

Don't be ridiculous. I'm informing you of the facts surrounding the granting of a healthcare professional license. I'm informing you that this has always been the case, to prevent quackery. If you think that this is a set of beliefs or religion, you are free to have your misguided opinion, but your opinion doesn't make it so.

You obviously have no experience with how standards of care are organized in a state medical or nursing board. I do. I'm informing you of how it is done. Which is factual.

 

Granting. You talk about it like it's not a right. Like the government has the right to revoke that privilege from whomever they want, for whatever reason is considered expedient.

I doubt it. People expressing beliefs when it done outside of their profession, when they are not seeing specific patients or charging money.

Especially if they give a disclaimer that the authorities disagree with what she is saying.

 

It's more than OK. It's necessary. She has no business getting any close to a real-life patient. The nursing board is protecting her prospective patients from wrong and hurtful advice, which is what the board is supposed to do.

 

Some want us to move away from science-based medicine, and more towards random-Google-search-based medication.

I can't believe some of the **** I read around here when it comes to science. I'm arguing that education is important in another thread. I think I'm losing there, too.

 

Like you.

The only difference is you just claim your position is science based.

 

See, the thing is, it’s not my opinion. I have no qualifications in this area.

it is the learned opinion of the world’s leading experts, who have devoted their lives to the study of viruses.

 

No, nobody has the right to practice a regulated profession for which a license is required, unless the person holds a valid license. Otherwise, it is illegal exercise of nursing. Yes, a license is granted by the regulatory authorities. Graduating from nursing school is not sufficient for practice. A nurse must also be licensed. The licensing board looks at morals, decorum, standards, etc. The school provides knowledge. The board looks at conduct. Both the diploma and the license are necessary to practice.

You doubt it. So noted. Since you know zip about the process, your doubts are inconsequential, and dismissed. Yes, conduct outside of setting of employment or setting of practice is ALSO a reason for withdrawing a license. Like I said, I've consulted for my medical board, and unlike you, I know what I'm talking about.

This is one of the reasons why a licensing board requires a criminal background check in order to grant a license, disclosure of court convictions, of lawsuits, etc.

 

I think the distinction should be if you use your position as a nurse as a pulpit to express your opinions. In this case she did.

 

There's stating provable facts, expert opinions, personal opinions, marketing/advertising and then there's lies (intentional or otherwise). Most of the time its harder for scientist's or experts to lie about topics within their chosen field because the facts prevent it. Politicians etc don't have that problem.