Ukraine Bans WWII Victory Day Celebration Against Nazis

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  1. Durandal

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    Whatever. It looks like the celebration that you and the Dumbass claimed was "banned." Well?
     
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    Stalin threw millions of Soviet conscripts at the German war machine and shot anyone who turned back.
     
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    Did you swallow this crap whole or in little chunks over time ?
     
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    In Berlin, there was not even a show. I have been today at Treptow Park, where the monument to the Soviet Solder stands. Many official representatives from different countries brought there the flowers. Even from the German authorities. But there was nothing from Ukranian embassy, which actually shows the attitude of those who sit in Kiev to the people who died at that war. Interestingly, many Ukranians were among the Soviet soldiers, so they showed their terrible attitude even to the people from their own land.
     
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    Ukraine: celebration of Victory Day was marked with numerous provocations and attacks of nationalists.

    Ukrainian neo-nazis attacked people with red stars, red flags, Saint-George ribbons etc. They chanted provokative nationalistic slogans, tried to insult elderly people. In Nikolaev they tried to hoist Bandera Nazi collaborators' black-and-red flag at the head of Victory Day march but were immediately kicked out.



     
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  6. Jeannette

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    I won't go into the famine, but if there was one, which is doubtful, and not simply an anti Russian propaganda gimmic by the Galacians, then why are they making a big thing of it when it didn't affect Galacia and Western Ukraine at all? The ones who were affected and died would have been the Russian speaking population in the east who the Gallacians hate... and who they are still trying to ethnically cleanse and exterminate in the Donbass and elsewhere?

    Yet at the same time, the Western Gallacian propagandists do not mention the true genocide of millions of Eastern Ukrainians by their allies the Germans, who wanted to takeover their famous black earth to feed their large German population.
     
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  7. Jeannette

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    What a bunch of Nazi freaks.
     
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    They did that. You know that right?

    All battle field testimonies about the Soviets equates to them being a pack of savages told to Zerg rush the opposing line. The soviets themselves admit to being war criminals. Then there's the rape, which soviet soldiers are known world wide for during world war 2. The executions of civilians, etc.



    Yeah, the Soviets were less than sub-human scum. Not fit to walk the earth. Their dear leader didn't even care for most of them.

    One question, why are we not trying these people for war crimes? We are still trying medics and accountants for the nazis.
     
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    Maybe this is because the "medics and accountants" attacked these "war criminals", invaded their country and exterminated 20 million of their civilians and not vice versa?
     
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    Why we are not trying this, @Capitalism ?

    Who knows, maybe these people in Dresden would prefer to be raped rather than to be burnt alive?
     
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    I think we should have, but virtually everyone involved in the decision Making process is dead.

    See the issue.

    I think Nazi soldiers, and you won't find many, the Wehrmacht dealt with rape by execution/punishment battalion, should also be tried.

    What I don't believe in is going after people that did no wrong other than be on the wrong side. Especially while we have people on the "winning side" bragging about knifing unarmed people in the throat. It's ****.
     
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    Short piece of article from the site http://www.jewish.ru
    The author is Jewish journalist Petr Lyukimson.

     
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    So what? You can condemn them and their decisions and actions now, after their death. You can admit Eisenhower a war criminal now, what makes you stop?
     
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    I get it, most on the Left are extremely protective of Socialist bad guys like Stalin and the millions they've murdered.

    However, the Soviets had all the borders of the Ukraine guarded during the Holodomor, so it is likely the starvation was widespread throughout the Ukraine. In fact others show the suffering extended outside the borders:

    http://www.euronews.com/2013/11/22/...mor-horror-when-millions-starved-in-the-1930s
     
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    Maybe because Germany invaded Russia and was committing genocide on the people of the lands they were conquering, and the USSR decided to react in kind. It wasn't nice, but when the Nazis were killing people without any remorse, then they should have expected a payback and not cry about afterwards.
     
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    The USSR didn't respond in a gentlemanly fashion, but they did not respond in kind.
    What the Germans got back, is not what they dished out.

    They are alive today. As a race. Un-enslaved. Un-annihilated.

    As I understand it, the famine wasn;t in Ukraine, until they took Ukrainian food from Ukraine to those who were starving.
    At which point, the Ukrainians starved instead/too.
     
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    Then you don't find it strange that the ones publicizing a genocide by the Soviets, not only joined the Nazis in exterminating the Poles and Jews during WWII, and today are doing the same thing to the Russian speaking people in the Donbass?

    Seems this alleged genocide is nothing more than a projection of what they are doing, because I find it strange that they have never apologized for the atrocities they committed... or made mention of the mass genocide of the Russian speaking Ukrainians by the Nazis in East Ukraine. Especially if one considers that the German intent was to exterminate the people and take over the rich E. Ukrainian and Russian lands.

    Yet these Western Ukrainian Gallician's keep harping about a genocide by the Soviets towards the same people they hate and are even killing today.

    Seems like an anti Russian propaganda ruse to me.
     
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    Famines are the result of brutal governments not allowing people to easily relocate.
     
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    The people harping the most about any genocide are the people who were victimized by it. In this case the majority of Ukrainians.

    What you may not understand is that Western liberals almost never hold their beloved communist comrades accountable for genocides and other atrocities. In fact, there has not been one American movie or documentary done on Mao's Great Leap Forward Genocide of tens of millions of his own people in the 1960's.

    Also know of the millions of Allied forces, American, Soviet, Britain ANZAC, etc during WW 2 not a single military person has ever been convicted or charged with a war crime for actions against the Axis members. Not one.

    For all the genocides in the 20th Century done by Commies, only a handful have ever been convicted in international courts.

    Gotta love them murdering Commies!
     
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    People relocating doesn't increase the total amount of food required.
    Famine occur in times of bad weather, mostly.
    The amount of food grown < the amount of food required.

    The idea that it was deliberately caused is a dumb one. It was an act of God.

    The decision Stalin made I think, was to feed his supporters in preference to his rivals. To choose who starved and who didn't.
    This was particulary unjust to the Ukraine, Russia's bread basket. As they grew all the food they didn't get to eat.

    So Stalin could have let others starve instead of the Ukrainians. But mass deaths were always going to happen. He just chose where and to who. Something God normally does.
     
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    And the Russians starve millions of Kulaks, on purpose.

    Secondly, there was no genocide amongst the land of which your speaking. Partisans (Mostly executed, and rightfully so, they are war criminals as well) and political opponents were sent to work camps. The Nazi's were fighting Bolshevism, go ahead and ask any Veteran that served in the Reich. Ask them what they were really fighting for. Hell, go read one of the thousands of autobiographies out there, all detailing the same fight. With cooberating evidence that once you picked up a weapon alongside the Nazi's you were no more an underling than anyone else. Finns, French, Poles, etc all commanded German troops. Jews, arabs, Africans, etc. all fought alongside the Nazi's. The last people fighting for the cause that died in the Reichs Chancellory weren't Ethnic Germans, they were from the rest of Europe, some being French, some British, some from elsewhere.

    You really underestimate the punishment bestowed upon the Wehrmacht soldiers for stepping out of disciplinary lines. Rape ended with you being shot, hanged, or sent to a punishment batallion. If you murdered civilians in cold blood, you were executed or sent to a punishment battalion (basically being executed by the enemy). Hey sometimes you may accidentally shoot a civilian that startles you when room clearing. It happens, look at how many civillians died in Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Etc. even with all of our high tech stuff, accidents still happen.

    The Soviets didn't give a **** about discipline or the international laws of war. He didn't sign that paper, and he showed it. Soviets, they were less than people.

    A million people die in work camps and everybody freaks out. Then a leader starves 100,000,000 (this is the middle estimate) kulaks to death and no one bats an eye.
     
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    You speak as if "kulaks" were not russians. Opression of rich farmers was policy of Bolshevik party, not whole russian nation.
     
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    Same goes for soviet army in WWII, though you are not exactly correct about penal battalions.

    Service there was temporary, and after end of sentence soldiers were returned to original batallion or redirected to new.

    If crime was too harsh, soldier would've rather been executed in front of regiment - as example for rest, and to prevent him from deserting or joining enemy.

    Permanent service in penal batallion as form of capital punishment would've been unpractical, to say the least - arming dangerous criminals is a very foolish thing, even in time of war. Especially in time of war, when they could go rogue.
     
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    Well, I am disappointed. That obviously is not correct, and you know it yourself.
     
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    That was the problem with penal divisions, they were severely under armed most of them time. However they did make a formidable force for your average infantrymen, these men were criminals and sent to the front to die, they knew that and they didn't want it to happen. Some of these units are infamous and some are remembered as heroic. Often times constructing buildings on the front line, repairing railroads under fire, defend and counter attack against overwhelming invasive forces, assault overwhelmingly powerful defense, etc. it was a virtual suicide mission.

    Only a handful of Russians were ever punished for rape. While millions of women were raped all across the Soviets war path. They executed women and children most of the the time not being punished. Soviet soldiers, the portion of which I have respect for which is only about 20%, have come forward stating they despised their comrades that gave them that reputation, but it was so wide spread you couldn't do anything. Those that have admitted their sins of country openly to the world and forsaken the comrades that committed such atrocities, deserve to be spared. I believe that true in all sides. I'm not saying forsake your nations army, forsake the savages they recruited at the time.

    Murdering entire unarmed surrendering units with knives. Admitted by a Russian Veteran. See the issue here.
     

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