Ukraine Bans WWII Victory Day Celebration Against Nazis

The Geneva conventions weren't ratified by the USSR until the post-war era.

Between the Gulags, Forced Labor camps, targeted famines, and executions; 100,000,000 people in Russia died from governmental action. There, I worded it a bit better for you.

 

Woah, hold on there. Point of penal battalion was in risking life as punishment - not loosing it. Think logically - what would a criminal do, if will get armed and said he is not coming back alive?

I know there are drammatic stories around penal battalions, but - albeit they suffered more casualties, because they been sent in the most harsh points of frontline and been handled with least care - never the less the point was that soldier, if comes back, would return to normal service/life. It was the main motivation for penal soldiers, and helped to keep at least some resemblence of discipline in their regiments. But that does not mean that rest of army - of Germany, of Union, of other Ally countries - been undisciplined.

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Let's be open - I do not see reason in condemning millions of dead soldiers, both who died on battlefields and who returned home, not today. It would've had point fifty, sixsty years back - but not today. It simply is too late for that, and more important to look what happens today and watch for terrors to not repeat.

Plus, it is hard to judge, who exactly been gulty, who was not, and even what percentage of soldiers committed what crime, and what percentage have comitted any crimes at all - for not just soviet army, but all who fought in that war.

It simply gives me no pleasure or feeling of justice - to look at people, who went through fire, mud, blood, a Hell itself on Earth, and got ruined by it - and condemn them. Regardless of who they fought for, what idea died for, if they found peace after returned from war or lived rest of live with regret over things done or people lost - I feel nothing but being sorry for them.

It just does not feels right to pretend that we are better than them. We just live in other age, we are happy to live in some resemblence of peace and security, we are fortunate to not face choises they faced. And I hope we never will face anything similar, to what they have went through, as well as that our doscendants never will too.

 

Russian lies same as they have lied for nearly 1000 years.

 

Russia killed more people than the Nazi bastards ever dreamed to!

 

What an F-ing joke. "President" Z ha ha ... Z the traitor will did and soon as allbtraitors must.

 

"GULAG" is abbreviation, it is a name of department that supervised labour camps and penal colonies. Famines were never targeted. Government's mistakes were one of their causes, but they were not targeted. The executions were not that massive, and the number you presented - one hudred millions - is exxagerated. Whole population of Union in 1926 was ~148.656.000, it would've meant country's population lost two thirds of population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Soviet_Union#Population_2

Again, there has been losses, there been repressions, and many things done by soviet government both under Lenin and Stalin are monstrous, but do not exxagerate the facts, do not twist them, please. Things that happened already dreary as they are, and it is not just to twist them.

 

Who cares about liberating that evil empire. Patton shoukd gave been listened to and Russia shoukd gave been destroyed and dismembered and cut up in pieces as any snake should. Russia shoukd only exist in a small circle around Moskovy and a colony in St Petrograd no more.

 

14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS

My statement was accurate, even eastern Slavs were looked at as equals and worthy allies in battle. Hold a rifle with the Nazi's, be equal with the Nazi's.

 

Bolshevik jews killed millions over there. Starved them out.

 

The Soviets were almost as evil as the Nazis.

 

Hiroshima. Ahem. Nagasaki. Ahem. 146000 murdered. Cough-cough. Double standarts. Sarcasm.

 

As a Jew, I hate the Soviets just a tiny bit less than I hate the Nazis.

They both ****ed over my family and murdered my relatives.

They both stole my family property.

My family had to flee from BOTH evil regimes.

 

Well, my condolences to your elder relatives. As me myself I don't care about your ethnic and/or religion, we're in XXI century, it's time to move on and stop judging people by their origins and their personal theologic beliefs.

As well as time to stop treating history through prism of personal feelings. At least one of my great-grandfathers died on frontline in 1943, and my grandmother lived in barrack for majority of her childhood, because her parent's home was destroyed by bomb. That does not mean I now should be condemning every german or every member of NDSAP party for rest of ethernity, until I'll choke on spit foam.

What happened - is happened, it is time to memorise horrible lesson of what kind of hell-on-earth the war is, and start writing better and cleaner history in new century.

 

The Nazi's never made their soldiers clear a minefield with their feet while locking arms. Oh, and a friendly MG pointing at your back. Just in case you know. That's an entirely different type of evil.

 

I read that the food wasn't distributed properly by the one in charge... who I believe was Khruschev. I'm not sure though, but I think there was some kind of weather anomaly going on in the world because there were dust storms in states like Oklahoma, and the farmers packed up everything and moved to California... The Grapes of Wrath comes to mind.

I also read recently that the cause of the great depression might not have been a bank failure as previously thought, but a crop failure in Germany. They all seem to have happened at the same time.

We call something an act of God, only because we're limited in our comprehension as to why something occurs. God is a pure creative Force and therefore incapable of destruction and negating from His Creation. His Love though can't exist for us, if we deny its existence. When people do, then the Love binding the world together will cease to exist... at least for those who turned away from it, if not for everyone. They can expect the worse... which includes natural disasters.

 

The government in Kiev consists of the minority who fought with the Nazis, predominantly from Galicia and are treating those with Russian sympathies as second class citizens.

 

You do know that the Nazis did not take Russian prisoners? The commissars were killed first because they were Jews and the rest of the men were sent to concentration camps to die.

 

When there isn't enough food to go round, no matter how you distribute it, someone goes hungry.

Whether of not you believe it to have been well distributed will depend entirely on whether you got enough yourself, I expect.

Obviously if I'm the one the distributor decides will starve, then his job has not been done to my satisfaction.


Famines don't have to be global. They can be local. So Oakland may have had a 5 year drought, but California not.
And famines are not always 100% an act of god either.
Bad irrigation for example has been known to cause the soil to wash away.

 

Yes and no.
Those who fought with the Nazi's are dead, not in government.
Those who sympathise with them and self identify with them, may well be in government in Ukraine. And certainly it is the same historic political fault line today, as existed in those times.

And this is the reason why I don't support Kiev. I don't identify them as allies.
Rather a Russian. Much rather.

 

I will pretend that I didn't saw that pile of nonsence and that you did understood the message that I delivered in this thread.

 

Here are videos of the Nazis attacking the Immortal Regiment Parades in cities throughout Ukraine. How reminiscent the thuggery is of Germany during the 1930's before WWII.

I guess one can thank Victoria Nuland and the American State Department for this mess, something that was bound to happen when power is given to an ignorant minority group, so they can supersede the will of the majority for their own political expediency.

 

What a nice story.
Probably all those ones who invaded USSR on June 22, 1941, were medics and accountants, as you said just yesterday?

 

Those 'monsters' were fundamental in the defeat of Nazi fascism. You think the rest of the Allies could have done so alone without a second front? Think again.

 

How many Native Americans were killed by your own people-while we're on the subject of 'monsters'?

 

No, one who simply did the book keeping at a labor camp. He never killed anybody, never harmed anyone, never ordered anyone to be harmed, yet we are trying him. Oskar Groening.