Ukraine. One of the biggest coverups...ever

IMO, when all is studied and said about this invasion of Ukraine, we're gonna, IMO, realize this period in history as one of the greatest coverups in the history of the US or the world.

(1) The current Ukranian government is not democratic. The election of the government or leadership of Ukraine may have originally been democratically authorized but said government and leadership have veered into some dark and sinister areas since the inception.
(2) The current government of Ukraine is a cash cow for the politically elite in the US, for example.
(3) The current government of Ukraine takes advice (orders) from the politically elite in the US, for example.
(4) The politically elite in America, for example, hate Russia, er, hate Putin.
(5) If Ukraine were to become a member of NATO, NATO missiles pointed at Russia would be used offensively against Russia per numbers 3 and 4.
(6) The government of Ukraine has secrets which the US, for example, wishes not to be exposed and, for sure, if Russia were to topple the current government of Ukraine, Russia would gladly expose those secrets.

What do you think about paying more for gas and groceries, for examples, so elites in the US can make more money from Ukraine and elites in the US can have a close country 'hounding' Russia??

It's a coverup and the world is paying for it.

 

It's not a perfect country. But for the moment we need to back them fully because they have been invaded by an aggressive authoritarian regime bent on controlling them. At least the Ukraines are trying to join the Western model - which is a step in the right direction v the Russian model.

P.s. if you want your points addressed it might be easier if you just took one or two points and made a thread from it and then elaborated why you think so with evidence. At the moment it sounds like one of them 'conspiracy theories'.

 

Who is "we" and what is Australia actually doing?

 

Allies.

The expected stuff, at a smaller scale.

 

Ukraine said they need 500 anti-tank missiles a day. Are they shooting at email servers because they're not destroying anywhere close to 500 tanks a day.

 

“We can’t say for certain that Russia is behind this or that it contributes directly to the propagation of these messages. But it’s pretty difficult to believe that it’s not involved,” Finkelstein said, with topics strikingly similar to Russian talking points about the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, being controlled by the west and the need to dissolve Nato.

A Russian bot farm reportedly produced 7,000 accounts to post fake information about Ukraine on social media, including Telegram, WhatsApp and Viber, according to the security service of Ukraine. And influencers who previously demonstrated against vaccines are now turning their support to Russia.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/mar/04/bot-holiday-covid-misinformation-ukraine-social-media

I wonder how the weather is in Moscow?

 

They the Ukrainians are doing extremely well against PUTINS RUSSIAN INVADERS, far better than PUTIN or anyone else expected. All the war has done is highlight the glaring deficiency in the Russian military and the tremendous fighting spirit of the Ukrainians.

 

Ukraine is a country in Europe.

It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that’s wrong, and it goes against everything that we stand for.

 

You sound like Kamala Harris. Believe me, that ain't a complement.

 

That was a direct quote of Kamala Harris. I had high hopes that the libs would comment on it. But, they did not bite.

 

Yes. Libs and neocons, er, most people who dutifully and unquestioningly pay more for gas and groceries, for examples, to aid Biden's 'sanctions' against Russia think the war is a conflict between good (Ukraine) and evil (Russia). That isn't the case. Not even close. What is the case is money, politics and secrets. The money elites make from Ukraine. The politics of Ukraine being a watchdog to Russia. The secrets of the deals between the US and Ukraine which would undoubtably get out if Russia were to overthrow the current government of Ukraine.

Many others (like dopey Kamala) are claiming that an invading country is always in the wrong. If that were the case, I guess, America was wrong when it invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. If that were the case, I guess, the Allies which invaded Nazi Germany were in the wrong.

 

This post demonstrates you utter ignorance of Russian tactics. Investigate the Checken war and Russia's tactics in Syria. Putin is using the exact same playbook he used in those conflicts. Long slow attrition on the ground while attempting to minimize infrastructure damage (because he wants to monetize the region he is conquering). The shock and awe tactics of the West that annihilate the infrastructure are not used. The West's cheerleading of Ukraine staying in the fight will guarantee only thing, more dead people. Ukraine has no hope of winning this and the West should not be messaging Ukraine that it can.

It will be interesting when this fall comes and the full impact of food shortages hit America and the world. Biden's sanctions are the cause of that. We already know what he will do when food prices double or more in the fall.... try to pass out more free cash.... and exponentially increase our out of control inflation. Insanity. More funny money does not make more food, it simply undermines the dollar. Everybody knows this EXCEPT the people in the White House.

 

The end of the line for the elites in the USA and Europe is coming, and coming fast. They are terribly corrupt, and global economic systems are designed to profit them and keep the rest in willing slavery. However, that does not excuse Putin for what he has done, as he is just as bad, if not worse, than those in the West. They all need to be dragged down... massive corrupt corporations, the media, politicians, bankers, power brokers, drug lords, human traffickers, etc etc etc. Invading and destroying the Ukraine, slaughtering civilians and destroying infrastructure, is not the way to do it. All that has done is reinforce the power of those who need to be rooted out.

 

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How do we know what Putin "expected"? Personally, I think Putin is deliberately slow walking this thing, trying to get the U.S. militarily involved. But I don't know and neither does anyone else what is in his mind.

As far as whether Ukraine is doing well, all we know is what Ukraine tells us and the media just assumes they would never lie.

I think Zelenskyy is walking a fine line, because of course he wants to win, and so he should, but he also wants this war financed by the rest of the world. Which puts him in the position of sending mixed messages: He doesn't want to say they're losing because it might make us think it's a lost cause, which we don't want to put more money into. But he doesn't want to say they're winning, because then we might say we've done enough, they don't need more help.

 

Love how the "we" countries all chime "AMERICA" while the capitalizing off the country they are condemning and want AMERICANS to lay their necks on the chopping block..

Gotta love those paper tiger NATO allies

 

This is as good an example of a lesser of two evils as I can imagine.

 

Diplomacy could've been accomplished between Russia and Ukraine before the invasion of Ukraine if diplomats from the US and the UN, for examples, wished to make diplomatic overtures towards each other.

For example, the reason why US biolabs in Russia weren't moved before the invasion was because the US fully intended on protecting Ukraine from Russia. So, the question is: Why risk nuclear war over a backwater country like Ukraine?
For example, the reason why no diplomatic gestures were made (Russia made and still make plenty) was because no one wished to compromise with Russia.

The problems Russia has with Ukraine will exist after the 'war' is over in Ukraine.

Another problem is, the consensus propaganda is that only Putin is the bad guy when in actuality, there are very many bad guys around the world in on this.

 

Big Richard is very elusive especially as a black woman; it will likely take 80% of the ATMs for success.

 

Nuclear war is a lesser evil than elements in the US for example:
(1) Protecting monetary interests in Ukraine??
(2) Keeping Ukraine as a watchdog over Russia??
(3) Keeping, for example, US and Ukranian secrets secret??

Paying more for gas and groceries, for examples, is the least Americans can do to maintain 1,2 and 3??

 

Conspiracy theory???Your own president is pushing the “New World Order” issue ... ... he wants to be the leader
"""Conspiracy theories around the so-called “New World Order” – loosely defined conspiracies about shadowy global elites that run the world – have converged narrowly on Ukraine, according to emerging research."""
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/mar/04/bot-holiday-covid-misinformation-ukraine-social-media

 

America, defacto Joe, is the leader of the New World Order, it's just not what you think it is. The NWO was post WWII.

 

What basis are you making all these claims from?
Who is this elite group that has Ukraine as a cash cow?
What is this cash cow?
When has NATO ever threatened use of offensive weapons against Russia?
What secrets does Ukraine have?

Give some details on this theory. Else it comes off as conspiracy.

 

This information isn't readily available since there is a huge censorship push by American government, the MSM and social media, for examples, to paint Putin as the ultimate bad guy and paint Ukraine as the 'docile' democracy.
I had to use critical thinking.

Why is the US willing to allow WWIII over Ukraine of all places?
Why did the US set up biolabs in Ukraine?
Why didn't the US pull said biolabs out of Ukraine when Russia amassed its troops on the border with Ukraine?
Why weren't any diplomatic endeavors used to prevent the invasion of Ukraine?
Why is the Biden Administration willing to pull out of Afghanistan so haphazardly yet put the US on the brink of war with Russia?
Why is the Biden Administration willing to sanction Russia (said sanctions won't have an effect on Russia but will have an effect on the rest of the world including Americans)?
Why the lying propaganda that the government of Ukraine is any type of democracy?

Too many things just don't make sense about these actions by the US, for example, concerning Russia's invasion...Too much bullshit.

As far as elite groups which control the government of Ukraine goes, one could mention the Clinton Foundation as a member of this elute group which pays and controls the Ukranian government...One could mention the Biden family...One could mention neocons...One could mention almost every congresscritter, it seems, in Washington...And on, and on, and on.

 

By "we," you of course cannot possibly be referring to the USA, which has invaded numerous smaller countries, often on thinner pretexts than Russia's.

 

Not even close to what looms on the horizon, NOT EVEN CLOSE!