Ukraine removes all 1320 statues of Lenin.

HTTPS://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-removes-all1-320-statues-of-lenin-wqsz8b6nh

Well it took 20+ years, but bravo, on removing the remnants of a failed philosophy and ideology....good bye Lenin, just like in the movie.

 

They didn't have to remove all of them... What are they afraid of?

 

awesome, the Nazis running the Ukraine, instilled be Obama meddling are having their way

 

LOL...."Nazis" running Ukraine, priceless, what about the previous govts before this one, were they "Nazis" too? You Muscovites truly are a piece of work!!))

 

Why not remove them? A reminder of a failed past and blood soaked policies. What's their to be afraid of?

 

We shouldn't be reminded of past failures and blood soaked policies?

I think you may have answered your own question, there.

 

Even I am still pretty sure that these well-known "Anti West / USA / EU / NATO ... and USSR was the best" persons here in forum will attack me as usual if I say it...

The communist time inside the USSR was for most Ukrainian a dark age due to the famine in 1930's caused by Stalin's forced collectivization of agriculture, which was then used by him as a weapon against the opponents of the forced collectivization and caused millions of dead.
This is why not a few Ukrainians fought on the German side in the 2nd Worldwar, and this had once again had violent consequences after the German defeat as everyone can imagine!

The end of communism and the USSR was thus a liberation for most Ukrainians, and all the statues of Lenin, etc., are symbols of oppression. The fact that the monuments remained for about 20 years has several reasons. On the one hand, there were often enough more Russian-friendly politicians in power, and on the other hand, they were a severe annoyance only on the extreme right, otherwise they were usually simply ignored or accepted as part of the story. Since the occupation of the Crimea and the civil war in the Donbass, however, this attitude has largely changed, especially since Russia has a different angle of view on such statues and is sensitive when, for example, In the Baltic States (together with monuments for the victorious Red Army), they were removed.

 

The difference being that in the Ukraine there was concensus opinon to remove the statues that does not exist here

 

I see Ukrainians are as idiotic as American liberals.

 

Well ... to be honest: This consensus exists of course, but it ends at the border to Crimea and the frontline to Donbass area where civil war is.

 

And in Ukraine it is done by Ukrainians who are far more right as any Old-Right in the USA can ever become if not being blamed by the righties as Nazi too!

The truth is that monument destructions is an issue which is caused by political left and right in the world.

 

You are correct, and I hate it. Leave history alone!!

 

In general I don't like monument removals too... but I have some, let me say understandings sometimes.

Let me give you a not really theoretical example:

In North Korea are a bunch of monuments of the Kim clan and members existing and let us say some time in future the regime is over and NK reunited etc. Should these monuments stay?
or let us take Poland... it was in 1939 not only attacked and conquered by the Germans, but by communist USSR too. also were some thousands of Polish officers as POW in USSR camps executed as we all know and after the German defeat they were not only given the East part of Germany, but also robbed of their Eastern part to USSR.... followed by the well-known communist and USSR controlled depression of democracy we all know.
After 1991 the monuments erected during communist times were removed ... because they were seen as symbol of their former oppressor's ... and also those for the victorious Red Army were not seen as monument of liberation too, because this halt of Red Army in attack on Germans as long as they fight down this non-communist uprising in Warsaw 1944 was seen as proof for the bad Red Army!

 

Nuland's Goons running the Ukraine.....

 

Maybe....maybe not...some of ours are coming down here too.

 

Those are "cultural retards" in the LDPR, they aspire to pursue same "failed policies", of those whose statues have all been torn down you see. They have no "device" of a philosophy as to what they may relate too. So they choose the old ones.

 

Well, look at goons in LDPR, lol. That's like jumping from the pan directly into the fire.

 

Forum right wingers who objected to removing confederate monuments will be outraged at this of course.

 

Of his many great mistakes, one of the greatest mistakes of Hitler was not announcing to Ukraine "I will free you of Stalin." Possibly a million or more Ukrainians would have fought with Germany to remove Stalin, plus possibly reignite the internal Russian Civil War. However, instead some of the bitterest fighting Germans faces was fighting thru Ukraine against Ukrainians - a price of Hitler's bigotry against Ukrainians and over confidence militarily.

 

Are they for sale?

I want cheap monuments

 

True!
But this was at least not done due the sick ideology of the Nazis with rating them all as "sub-humans" etc. ...

 

Generally in my opinion virtually no statues or monuments should be taken down or removed. His is as history was. To erase the past is for future generations to be ignorant of why to avoid it in the future. One effect of removing Confederate statues is in a couple of generations most young people won't have a clue what the Civil War was or fought, with a good chance if asked most would say it was between the USA and Mexico. Even now, MANY young people have no clue who we fought in the American Revolution or even WW1.

Instead, summary historic plaques should be placed for education. For example, a plaque of Robert E Lee with summary personal info, then stating "General Lee lead an armed rebellion of Southern states called the Confederacy in an attempt to form their own nation in disputes over states rights and in an attempt to preserve the institution of slavery. The Confederates were finally defeated in the most deadly war in American history. Slavery in the United Stated ended as a result of the Confederate defeat."

 

You must have a big garden to place them inside...

 

Well, as long as you like them.
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I'm American. Muscovite is meaningless to me.

 

Well ... will you also accept a monument for the SS Boss of Auschwitz concentration camp which praise his job?

As far as I agree that monuments are part of our history, there are exceptions given in my opinion.