Ukraine to stop using Soviet Russian weapons.

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    Good. I suppose that means they will destroy the dozens of BUK anti-aircraft missile systems they have. We all know they can't use those properly anyway as evidenced in Donetsk.
     
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    Uh yeah...well the parashka vatniks hold the rights to that, can't blame "rebels" locals, old vasiyas, etc.

    That also means destroy most Soviet Russki junk....half that **** doesn't ****ing work worth a ****, jeeps, troop carriers, half tracks. Some of those old vehicles still have hand cranks FFS.

    Humvees, Javelins, AR15s, Glocks, SWs, Tigers, far better.

    Where's your pics cowboy?
     
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    The armed forces of Ukraine did not come into possession of put US Javelin ATGM and have probably never gonna get. American advisers began the export of complexes outside Ukraine. This is reported by some Ukrainian media, citing the message of voluntary organisations and bloggers.
    The American Javelin anti-tank systems, the receipt of which at the time boasted to Ukrainian President Poroshenko, and did not reach the operating APU units. Moreover, they are generally exported outside the Ukraine. According to the available unofficial information, the reason for this was that the Ministry of defence was unable to prepare in the warehouses of the storage locations in accordance with the technical norms of storage of ATRA.
    It is Reported that American advisers take out complexes on the territory of neighboring Poland, where store them on their bases in the composition of the rapid reaction force.
    Sources among the volunteer report available information on the export of anti-tank systems Javelin outside Ukraine. (...) we are talking about American bases in Poland as part of a rapid reaction Force

    https://weaponews.com/news/65353146...-the-javelin-atgm-on-the-territory-of-po.html
     
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    We had Putin visit us in Australia. He told the then Prime Minister Tony Abbot
    that he would co-operate fully with the investigation into the downing of the
    Flight 17. After Putin's return to Russia he reneged on that promise - as most
    thinking people knew he would. The crime scene was fully cleaned up and
    witnesses and key figures in the investigation were not allowed to talk to
    Western investigators.
    At this stage I suggest either Russian foreign assets ought to be seized as
    part of the compensation, or (preferably) Russia be removed from international
    airline agreements - thus banning Russian flights in or out of that country.
     
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    I'm in contact with my military source in Ukraine.....his unit and others will be ditching the AK in the not too distant future....adopting the AR15, along with sidearms (Glocks, Sigs), also vehicles, communications equipment. I"d sooner take his word than yours.
     
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    There's a strong whiff of moral equivalency in this comment.
    Certainly no media outlet is free from bias.
    But... Britain's media are vastly more free than Russia's.
    And the BBC tends to be a tad leftist, if you like that sort of thing.
     
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    The BBC is worse than Fake News American CNN.

    Reneged? That's bullshit. The 'investigators' wouldn't let Russia OR Malaysia participate. Malaysia doesn't buy the MH-17 report. The crime scene wasn't cleaned up for over 3 months and several large pieces weren't picked up by the 'investigators'. You should watch that video before you make any more posts.

    Russia offered all their radar data and the manufacturer of the BUK system offered their assistance.

    The West took Ukraine's word that all of Ukraine's radar systems were down for maintenance.

    If you want an investigation, investigate Ukraine also. People seem to forget they had BUK systems in their possession (still do) and Ukraine forces had them in the area where the plane went down.
     
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    Yes, the Russians did not clear up the whole site because it was quite large and the plane was in a lot of very
    small pieces. I suppose Putin was stupid - he could have left everything where it was, handed over the those
    who were suspects and the truth would come out. But that's the Putin Problem - the truth wasn't to Russia's
    advantage.
    This goes on all the time with dictatorships. I have Chinese and their Useful-Idiots try to tell me a lumbering,
    crowed American spy plane chased down a Chinese fighter to bring both of them down in a suicide attack.

    There's an industry of useful idiots in the West who parrot every pronouncement from every dictatorship - one
    day it's Iran, then China, then Russia, then back to Iran, or over to Venezuela or up to Cuba.
     
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    The Russians didn't clean the damn site up, the West did and they didn't start processing the crime scene until 3 months after the incident.

    Talk about parroting propaganda.
     
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    No, it was in the news. Lots of anger as photos showed military personnel scouring the crash site
    and retrieving bodies, booty and bits. The plane came down in a rebel/Russian held area. Yes,
    later Ukrainians were allowed into the site, but evidence had been removed - the evidence of the
    Russian BUK missile.
     
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    How many times do you people need to be told that the Ukrainian military has BUK missile systems. Just because the *******n thing was made in Russia does that equate to guilt by the Russians. You do realize (likely not) that the Ukrainian military had their Russian-made BUKs (as all BUK missiles are Russian-made) in the rebel areas. It was an active war zone with Ukrainian and rebel forces gerrymandering held territory.

    You don't know a damn thing. The rebels saved the plane's black boxes for the Malaysians. Ukraine air-traffic controllers sent it over that area. Then Ukraine said NONE of their radars were working. BULLSHIT.
     
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    You must be referring to the Russian fired Buk that shot down the Netherlands airliner.
     
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    The Russians and Eastern Ukie traitors shot down the airliner. Get over it you cannot hide from the truth. Russia and Russians are guilty EOS.
     
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    Russians and pro Russian traitors stole personal items belonging to the dead passengers. That is the truth and the truth must hurt.
     
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    Yeah... if only Putin had just leave the crash site alone - all the evidence would have incriminated the Ukrainians
    (maybe the Dutch, Americans and Australians had a hand in this too?)
    And if only Putin would allow his nationals to be interrogated by the commissioners.
    Sigh... Putin is kicking own goals.

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    If Russia is innocent, why won't these four key players at least offer their support to the Joint Investigation Team?

    And another thing - these "volunteers" play key roles in the military occupation of Ukraine. Will Russia occupy
    ALL of Ukraine? Why not Poland, I mean, Russia has ethnic Russians living in Poland, and Poland was a part of the
    Russian empire once before.

    The attitude of Russia has always been "Just deny everything. There's enough self-haters in the West to provide the
    plausibility for anything we do."
     
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    I can see that you're a very informed poster. :applause:
     
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    And let's not forget the KAL007, shot down in plain sight by a following Soviet jet.
    Shot down for "spying" on Soviet occupied terrority.

    Let me repeat - in plain sight. No mistake, no radar mishap, in plain sight.
    KAL.jpg

    Lenin's "Useful Idiots" were out in force within hours - accusing the West of spying. (I mean, what is there to spy on in Russia?)
     
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