Ukrainian law enforcement shoots 39 pro-Russian activists in Kherson — emergency worker

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  1. Dayton3

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    98% of zero isn't that great.
     
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    98% certainty on anything during war is pretty good. I'll give you another 98%: Putin will evolve from the special military operation soon, and he will declare war on Ukraine as soon as the ground is well frozen. And that will be the point of no return for the existence of an independent Ukraine.

    Like I also said from week 1 or so: NEGOTIATE. Keep Kherson and Odessa!
     
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    That's because that crap makes no sense. Just because some industries have a disproportionate Jewish population, I'm supposed to dislike them as a people? No. Joke about it, like Chapelle? Yeah. To relate what I'm saying to a recent event:

    Ye stormed out of TimCast because Tim wouldn't acknowledge Ye's "they" as his own "they". And the only reason Ye thinks Tim should automatically have the same "they" is because to Ye, "they" are Jews, and NOT a group of shady managers/investors who are oppressing him.

    That would be like if Ye owned a 7/11, and was being harassed by some Indian 7/11 owners, being upset that others didn't see "they" as ALL Indians like he did. Or if he was a software engineer having issues with some Chinese engineers... Etc. It's preposterous.
     
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    Doesn't that depend on the amount of overt military support Ukraine gets from the west? If the Russian forces are annihilated by an American armored calvary regiment (and no that would not result in a nuclear conflict) then what does Putin do?

    And wasn't the ground in the region frozen back 11 months ago when this war began?
     
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    It's been a special military operation. Is every bridge still intact? Are the railways still in use? Power plants? Yes? Then no, that's not war yet.

    There's no way to get reliable information during war as an average citizen. But I have a feeling that Russia attempted to decapitate the government, fell back to the regions Putin outlined as his objectives, and have held all of them. Largely with that same special operations force, albeit taking heavy casualties. But I imagine that following a declaration of war, we will see a massive invasion of 250k-400k completely fresh troops.
     
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    What makes you think even that many Russian troops will win?
     
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    Because I'm also of the opinion that the media has been lying, and all the Ukranians did in their counter offensives were to dash themselves to pieces against the Russian positions, with the exception of a tactical withdrawal in Kherson. Col. McGregor and Scott Ritter seem to be more sincere than the media talking heads, and they explain why they think Ukraine basically has destroyed their army.

    Other factors that may be different upon a declaration of war:

    1. This time Ukraine will fight in the dark and cold.

    2. No rail.

    3. No bridges.

    4. The bulk of their command and control and sophisticated weapons targeting relies on a system supplied by an individual billionaire who could withdraw it at any moment.
     
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    Maybe you haven't been paying attention....lotsa Russki conscripts /skinheads have Nazi tattoos also....as do soldiers from other states....tell me something I don't know?

    Showing Nazi salute in Kherson??, and not a peep from the locals...no kidding?, sorry dude, I think I'll call your bluff there....that's a heavy Russian speaking town ....that "voted" 97% for re uniting with Ras-fascist Federation...yet we're ecstatic when UAF liberated them....I think there's still the odd house party yet.

    Azov Brigade is real ?..no kidding, where have you been hiding all this time....integrated with military?...you're getting warmer....so are Wagners ...to an extent in Ras fascista Federation.....Why do Russkis call it ..."Wagner"..isn't that Nazi?

    Azov was defending Mariupol...you understand?

    Show these thousands killed by Azov?.....since 2014?.....a Russian speaking unit?

    You got a CNN clip of some UAF giving the Sieg Heil?

    It was unprovoked....even some Russkis are openly admitting it.
     
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    I see lots of vids too....I don't believe half of them....usually a first person's perspective and bias who films the video.

    After what Stalin did and Holodomor....I'd probably welcome the devil himself.
     
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    Probably won't....a dozen HIMARS systems caused the Russkis to competely $hit their drawers.

    Imagine if there were 100+ systems in place....this would've been over in late summer.
     
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    OK...you're leaving yourself 2 % elbow room....so you're already copping out?
     
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    So...if Ukraine already destroyed its army....whose doing the fighting?
     
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    Odessa was never occupied in the first place....Kherson is liberated.

    Negotiate what?
     
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    No, unlike most everyone else, I know there is much uncertainty in war. Putin could die tomorrow and Russia could erupt into civil war within a month. I don't need to cop out, as my 50-100 posts I've made on Ukraine since day one mostly stand on their own. Feel free to point out one in which I was fundamentally wrong, going all the way back.
     
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    Gun to my head guess: 30k Ukranians left, 20k or so Poles, 5k or so Romanians, and 10-25k international mercenary force.
     
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    And way back when I said they would be lucky to keep Kherson, Kherson wasn't even occupied, and everyone still thought Kiev was being besieged. I said Kiev was a feint, and the southern coast was the objective. I could find it and link if I were on PC. I said then to negotiate and I still say, negotiate.
     
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    Hahahaha.....OK, so you haven't a clue.

    Wow ...a ragtag bunch giving the Mighty Russki a bashing.
     
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    https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1597656263923752960?ref_src=twsrc^tf
     
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    No I'm buying what MacGregor is saying, and they have been conducting an economy of force mission with their original invasion force while prepping a knockout force that will be fresh and following a barrage that destroys Ukraines power and transport infrastructure.
     
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    Anyone can say anything...everyone's got an opinion.

    I've got some ocean beachfront real estate in Sdak....wanna buy it?
     
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    And if Ukraine takes Crimea, it means Russias conventional forces have been destroyed, and Ukraine would get nuked. The Russians will keenly watch the US and full strike if we respond with any missile toward Russia. And Hopefully Biden sits there in shame for the sake of all of us.
     
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    Well we aren't going to have to wait long to find out. If Putin hasn't declared by February or so, I have the wrong picture.
     
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    Of course they are!

    +88k Vatniks dead. Keep up the good work.
    Slava Ukraini! :)

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    40% are already destroyed....40 % are AWOL...freezing in Bakhmut or who knows what.

    Ukraine gets nuked?....that'll sit well with Europe as they breathe radioactivity.

    Russkis will keenly watch"....go ahead...sanctions are in place for decades...like an Anaconda squeezing the Resource Federation.
     
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    You are assuming that Russia threw everything into Ukraine already. I am guessing they have committed 18-20% of their ground forces and basically have left them there to hold for a fresh invasion.

    If you don't see Russia nuking if its military were destroyed, then you must be incapable of placing yourself in your opponent's shoes. We used 2 without our military destroyed in our backyard.
     
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