Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky 'I Don’t Trust Anyone at All.'

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  1. HumbledPi

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    'I Don’t Trust Anyone at All.' Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky Speaks Out on Trump, Putin and a Divided Europe

    https://time.com/5742108/ukraine-zelensky-interview-trump-putin-europe/

    Hardly six months into his tenure as the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky has already learned to temper his expectations. He does not expect his first round of peace talks with Russia, which are scheduled to take place in Paris on Dec. 9, to end the war that has been raging along their border for the past five years. Nor does he expect too much from his Western allies going into these negotiations, Zelensky said in a wide-ranging interview on Saturday.

    Speaking to reporters from TIME and three of Europe’s leading publications, the President explained that, despite getting caught up in the impeachment inquiry now unfolding in Washington, D.C., Ukraine still needs the support of the United States.

    Otherwise his country does not stand much of a chance, Zelensky said, in its effort to get back the territory Russia seized from Ukraine in 2014, starting with the Crimean Peninsula. Nor can Ukraine rely on steady financial support from abroad if President Donald Trump and his allies continue to signal to the world that Ukraine is corrupt, Zelensky said. “When America says, for instance, that Ukraine is a corrupt country, that is the hardest of signals.”
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    This situation in Ukraine is turning horribly tragic. This country has always been under Russian oppression and they're fighting to be a free and democratic country. Naturally it is the obligation of all democracies worldwide to aid and encourage their struggle to achieve a democracy. Trump has made this even less likely with his interference and insistence that Ukraine conduct a political witch hunt against his rivals.

    President Zelensky won his presidential race with a 70% margin, it was an overwhelming victory for Zelensky because he ran on a platform of anti-corruption. Look what's happening, Trump is trying his best to corrupt them. The fallout from this may be the ruination of Ukraine's struggle in the end. “If you’re our strategic partner, then you can’t go blocking anything for us,” But even worse than the blocking of aid to Ukraine is the stigma that Trump and Putin have put onto Ukraine, the illegitimate stigma of Ukraine being totally corrupt while at the same time Zelensky is trying to clean up any corruption. If European allies to Ukraine don't trust Ukraine, they will stop giving aid to Ukraine. It's as simple as that. And, the U.S. is responsible for that distrust. That's exactly what Putin wanted, to have any aid to Ukraine cut off, that's what Putin's goal is.
     
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    Zelinsky has to walk a tight rope. He doesn't want to alienate trump. That's the main reason he said he never felt pressured by trump. However what he now says is a very polite way of his saying that trump withheld aid for Ukraine.
     
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    Zelensky says what he has to say to please the Nazis in the Rada, as well as the Mafia families supporting them - otherwise he wouldn't survive long. To understand Ukraine, one has to realize that one half of the country was always part of Russia, and they continue to speak Russia. Another part speaks Polish and was always a part of Poland and another part speaks Hungarian and was always a part of Hungary.

    There are also small segments of Romanians, Tatars, Greeks and Romas and they all speak their own language. Basically Ukraine was never a country, but an administration of the USSR with parts from different countries. What unified them was the Russian language which the government in Kiev is now trying to eliminate together with all the other language.

    Russia said this will lead to the break up of Ukraine, but instead of following the example of the Russian Federation and allowing the different ethnicities to retain their languages, they want to ban all languages except Ukrainian. Zalensky came back with a counterattack and said no one wants to leave Ukraine, but they will accept any part of Russia that wants to join them.

    This of course is the opposite of what has been going on. From all appearances Kiev's agenda is to make life so miserable for the Ukrainians that they have no choice but to sell their lands and assets and leave - as they have been doing. The mafia billionaires can then buy up everything at a low price, and sell it to the multi national corporations at a high price and make a killing.
     
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    Ukraine has had a very bloody past. July 2019 was the 76th anniversary of the Wolyn massacre. I believe that's the county my father in law was from originally. This massacre started in 1943 and went on for two years. More than 100,000 people were slaughtered and without guns. They used pitchforks, axes and other farm tools.

    https://www.thefirstnews.com/articl...years-ago-today-and-lasted-for-two-years-6714

    [snip] In the blood frenzy, the Ukrainians tortured their victims with unimaginable bestiality. Victims were scalped. They had their noses, lips and ears cut off. They had their eyes gouged out and hands cut off and they had their heads squashed in clamps. Woman had their breasts cut off and pregnant woman were stabbed in the belly. Men had their genitals sliced off with sickles.[/snip]
     
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    I found the Western Ukrainian atrocities towards the Poles so shocking that I wonder if they were on drugs - or maybe possessed and in the occult. Yet the Western leaning Ukrainian government honors the Nazis who committed the crimes, and also Bandera as being the father of Ukraine.

    The real fathers of Ukraine I should think would be Lenin and Stalin, since they gave them parts of the other countries. The only thing Bandera's followers did was kill the Poles and steal their city of Lvov and their lands - So is this what they're celebrating?



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    And in the US majority speaks English and a significant minority speaks Spanish. Doesn’t mean English speakers want the US to be part of the UK or Spanish speakers want to be part of Spain.
    Your claims are always ridiculous.
    :boo:
     
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    Then why was there a Ukrainian Republic before USSR? Why did Soviet Russia recognized Ukrainian independence back in 1918? According to your claims the country didn’t exist.
     
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    Ukrainians don’t honor Nazis. Bandera was not a Nazi. Ukrainians honor Bandera for fighting for Ukrainian independence and Russian propaganda smeared him because he didn’t want Ukraine to be part of the USSR. At first he hoped Nazi germany would set Ukraine free, then when he realized he was wrong he was fighting Russia as they were taking over Ukraine again.
    Bandera spent 2.5 years in concentration camp. So much for being a Nazi, huh? :deadhorse:
     
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    That’s what happens when you occupy lands with significant ethnic minority.
    Poles don’t want Ukrainian lands anymore. Pretty much nobody does on Europe, except for Russians. And they managed to suppress this with even greater brutality.
     
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    The last time the Donbas militia trapped the Ukrainian army in a cauldron, Poroshenko sued for peace a second time. Putin in order to stop the Donbass militia from advancing further and freeing Mariapol and Odessa from the junta, closed the Russian border. This forced the Donbas militia to go to Minsk..

    The Donbas leaders again asked Russia to take them like they did Crimea, and again Putin said no. He felt they were much too integrated with the rest of Ukraine and there wasn't a defined border where one country ended and the other starts.


    Well that's changed now. Instead of abiding with the agreements at Minsk, the 'nationalist/Nazi' armies destroyed every connections and commerce that existed between Donbas and the rest of Ukraine. This of course forced them to become more integrated and reliant with Russia.



    Time's is part of the MSM fake news network, so take what they write with a grain of salt. The only nation in the world that will help the Ukrainian people is the one that always helped them, and that's Russia. The Ukrainian people right now live on about $250 a month and Russia doesn't want them to starve. They know the Ukrainians have been deceived by some very evil people.

    As for the US, we only give them money for arms so they can continue their ethnic cleansing of Russians - and that's what Zelensky and his cohorts want. If the Russians start sell their lands and industries, the mafia families can buy them up at a cheap price, and then sell them to Monsanto and the other multi nationals and make a killing.


    To keep the Nazis happy who think they will grab the land, Zalenski tells them that the arms are needed to take back Crimea and the Donbas - when he knows damn well that the people there will never return to Ukraine; that is unless the East and South can split from the Western part and create a new country with a new Constitution. One that will represent all the people, and not just the malcontents in the West and the mafia families.
     
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    No kidding.....100k dead?? You say? Small price....considering the cost of the Holodomor.
     
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    Bearing in mind Dirty Donalds butt buddy relationship with Vlad the Bad it is smart of Zelensky to not trust either of them.
     
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    Must have been why Obama could be more flexible after the election and why he was afraid to send lethal aid to Ukraine which, of course, Trump did, not once, not twice, but three times.
     
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    And we can THANK CONGRESS for that AID!!!!
     
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    Were do you get the NAZI from?
     
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    Way back 2008 there was a plan for Ukraine to align itself with NATO, but shelved when Yanukovych won the presidency and still the same even during the Yatsenyuk government, they only revive the notion when Russia invaded Crimea. Well as the saying goes, " If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything".
     
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    If he does not trust anyone, should anyone trust him?
     
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    Yeah, so the Nazis and their mafia supporters can keep killing Russians who live in the Russian half of the country the way they did the Poles in WWII.
     
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    The only nation that invaded Crimea other than Nazi Germany was Ukraine. So how about some reality instead of Washington's fairy tales.

    Crimea was established as a legal, democratic and secular state in 1992. The only relationship it had with Ukraine was based on bilateral agreements. Three years later, Kiev abolished the agreements and invaded Crimea and Sevastopol so they could put down their own 'Ukrainian law and order' on the Crimean people.


    The special forces and Ukrainian army seized the administrative building and demanded that Pres. Meshkov resign. He refused so they poisoned him and he survived only because he was evacuated to a Moscow hospital.

    During the coup in 2014, 300 Crimeans who had gone to Kiev to protest for their rights and the illegality of the American installed government, were stopped by Nazis on their way back to Crimea. Thirty were killed, the buses were burned and the protesters were told that they were coming to Crimea to do the same to the people there.


    The Crimeans panicked, so they declared their freedom and asked the Russians stationed there to protect them until they could hold a referendum.
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    On March 16, 2014, the Crimeans were offered a choice: to rejoin Russia or to return to their former constitution of 1992. The people knew that they would never be secure unless they had Russia's protection, so they voted to rejoin Russia.



    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/03/28/so-who-annexed-crimea-peninsular-then/
     
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    From little things like this - and there's more, lot's more.

     
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    I'm not sure why it's such a big deal that he doesn't trust anyone... isn't that pretty much standard... across the board for foreign relations
     
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    Would you say the same about the US ?
    Remember the Blood and Soil, Jews will not replace us, march in the US, which ended with a Neo Nazi running over a woman and killing her with his car.
     
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    Yes, but when Trump does it, IMPEACH!
     
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    Nope, only if you try to pressure a foreign government to help you with your election, or re-election.
     
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    You mean the dem clown show narrative with zero proof.
     

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