UN experts condemn renewed violence and Israeli killings of Palestinians

UN experts condemn renewed violence and Israeli killings of Palestinians in occupied West Bank
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...condemn-renewed-violence-and-israeli-killings

Israel's colonization of the occupied territories is going well .. the racist xenophobic Facist Zionists now in power.

Perhaps we should be sending the Palestinians the HIMARS and Leopard Tanks as well. Try to stop this Fascist Regime .. .. the demolition of Palestinian homes and the IDF death squads.

 

Good for them. The terrorist Palestinians need to stop attacking Israel. And Israel is already equipped with a competent military.

 

Sure .. and the Ukrainian Terrorists need to stop attacking Russia but you didn't address the question. Should we arm the Palestinians like we did the Ukrainians.

 

I'm afraid you've got it backwards.
It's the genocidal Zionist land thieves from afar that are the aggressors.

I spent 10 - 11 months in the Middle East and had a chance to hear the Palestinian side of the story since,
regrettably, Western MSM is either owned by Zionists or bias in favor of the murderous Zionist agenda.

A Brief History:
Over half of Palestine was was taken from the Palestinians in the 1940s by the British colonial powers and given to insatiably greedy, murderous Zionist Terrorist Gangs.

Not content with half of Palestine, the same Zionist Terrorist gangs proceeded to attack, murder, rape and mutilate pregnant women, children and other civilians who had been living in Palestine for generations. (1)

Over the decades, foreign militant Jews and Zionist Terrorist gangs have managed to steal most of the rest of Palestine so that, now, Palestine's native residents either have been herded into an open air prison, Gaza or surrounded by foreign land thieves aka "Settlers" in the West Bank.

The future looks grim for Palestine's native residents as Israel's government becomes even more militant and moving toward the Right.

The Palestinians simply want to be left alone with what little they have left but Israel's land thieves keep destroying their homes and stealing their land.

I would oppose giving the Palestinians any offensive weapons but see no harm in giving them the defensive weaponry they need to repel murderous aggressors.

Thanks,



(1) Deir Yasin Massacre, 09.04.1948
https://www.countercurrents.org/alhelsi100410.htm

EXCERPT " One of the worst Zionist massacres committed against Palestinians is the Deir Yasin massacre. Defenceless Palestinian civilians were tortured before being massacres and their bodies mutilated. Women and children were raped, babies were butchered and pregnant women were bayoneted." CONTINUED

 

Who's "We" ??
Those that arm Israel? if so wouldn't the question be should we STOP arming Israel ? I never heard when the western countries armed both sides of a conflict.
But let's assume SOMEONE sends them missiles - I already explained to you that Tanks and Jets and other heavy weapons cannot be hided or grouped to offer any offense due to geography, they have cities and towns and Israel in between....
Even with missiles - the result would be a complete and total occupation of the WB, a real one not the kind you cry about for decades.

 

"We" is the West ... and many times armed both sides of conflict but that matters not. The question is whether we should do it now..

Sure we armed Side A - but that side has gone rogue and is engaging in colonialism .. stealing land that does not belong to it .. killing civilians .. bulldozing their houses .. and so on. We Supported Saddam until he went rogue .. supported Noriega .. then laid down the hammer.

Like the Ukranians .. a foreign invader is attacking them. We need to maintain a consistent policy and help the freedom fighters in Palestine the same way we helped the freedom fighters in Ukraine.

Your claim that modern military equipment would not make a difference is just not true.. Many in Israel are already against the Facist Zionists .. out on the streets protesting for peace. Once the bombs start falling on Israel .. more than the home made fire-works .. doing some real damage .. many Israeli's gonna think twice about continuing the annexation and persecution.

 

Your link:

"'We deplore the Israeli army’s latest violent attack against the Jenin Refugee Camp, and the killing and wounding of Palestinians on Thursday. It shows a dangerous trajectory of violence in the occupied West Bank, continuing the alarming upward trend from 2022,' the experts said.

"'None of this violence would occur if Israel were to end its illegal, half-century old occupation immediately and unconditionally as required by international law,' they said."

Some Jews (like Golda) believe they are "chosen."
One hundred years ago some of these Jews began the colonization of Palestine while publicly proclaiming their intention to transform Palestine into a Jewish majority state.
There were ten times as many non-Jews as Jews living there at that time.
That level of arrogance goes a long way in explaining why crimes like the Holocaust have occurred repeatedly throughout history.

 

Yes, and the Zionist Fascists are on the move - engaging in big aggression, persecution and annexation. To counter this aggression - and to maintain consistant policy .. and not be hypocrits on the world stage .. the west should be arming and supporting the Palestinian Freedom Fighters same as the Ukrainian freedom fighters.

 

Several individuals who have compared Zionism to Fascism are more on target than they might realize.

While the idea that Germany's National Socialist (NS) government helped train and arm Jews for life in Palestine may seem absurd, it is indeed a fact that Germany's WW 2 government helped Zionist groups build about 40 training centers throughout Germany in co-operation with Haganah.

It is not surprising that Zionism and National Socialism would be compatible in that they both espouse racial/ethnic superiority (Master Race = Chosen People). They both call for expanding territory: (Lebensraum = Promised Land) and they both thought the land they wanted was theirs through their own respective mythologies.

I am encouraged by the number of Israelis who oppose Netanyahu's most extreme Right Wing government in Israel's history and would oppose giving the Palestinians anything other than defensive weapons as offensive weapons because to do so would certainly initiate a full scale regional war.

About 50 years ago, I spent 10 - 11 months walking and hitch-hiking throughout the Middle East where I had a chance to talk to numerous Palestinian refugees who lost everything in the Nakba. It is a cruel irony that many that the stories told by Nakba survivors are so similar to stories told by Holocaust survivors.
An enormous difference is that Germany helped out and armed Zionists before AND after WW 2 and continues to pay $ Billions to Holocaust survivors while Nakba survivors have as much hope to receive Nakba reparations as I am.

The core of the strife between the Palestinians and Israelis is this same injustice that exists especially in America's Middle East policy that is dominated by AIPAC and over one hundred similar, influential lobbies.

Finally, the only way that the US can do anything to bring about peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis is to initiate a badly needed even handed Middle East policy by which both parties are treated equally.
As long as the US continues to enable Zionist criminality, the blood will continue to flow.

Thanks,

 

And look how many hide .. Red and Blue both side .. where are the defenders of Israel .. Boo Hoo .. poo pooh. Can't take the heat ..

 

Do you believe the "Two State Option" still exists in Israel/Palestine?
Imho, decades of illegal settlement construction by the Zionists have made this impossible.
The only remaining solution I see is a single state from the River to the sea in which all Jews and non-Jews of legal age have an equal degree of political sovereignty; such a state would probably require a special breed of UN peacekeepers in the Jordan Valley for at least the same amount of time as the British Mandate protected the first generation of Zionists?

https://uca.edu/politicalscience/da...sian-gulf-region/british-palestine-1917-1948/

 

The Israeli Zionists and the US have blocked and hampered the process at every step .. the US the policy dictated by Zionists it would seem. .. especially the last few decades ... Zionists exerting a strangle hold on Washington .. Strange phenominon to watch.

The difference today is that in the past the USA could get away .. with "Do as I Say" - not as I do. Back in the good ol days we were the world economic empire. All we needed do was whisper in the ear our desires and the vast majority would come running to comply on bended knee ..

This was not from any direct coercion - but that we were the only game in town .. and everyone wanted to play .. and so we got our way.

Times have changed .. the precedent we set .. Annexing Kosovo .. allowing Israel to Annex Palestinian Land --- others are now doing as we do .. and what can we say ? Boo hoo hoo ..

This is what happens when you throw out the rule book ... folks start breaking the rules .. cept now .. we not the only game no more.. Welcome to the multi-polar world .. and the rules of this chessboard are very different.

Yet .. USA playing like the rules havn't changed .. and this the cause of many big gaping blunders.... Trump using the economic Nuclear option to force compliance with his unilateral Iran sanctions .. the last straw in the US dollar remaining the world reserve currency for any length of time.

In such times extremism rises .. .. like too many rates in a cage the fights are breaking out .. both internal and external the 5 black cops beating the black man to death a good example of failure at a systemic level .. can't blame racism .. leaves only the system .. which is creating chaos at this moment in time.

 

Right...let's assume you talk about the strong western countries that arm Israel, so when did THEY arm both sides.

So stop arming it...

I suggest you start by stop arming it

I said heavy weapons will do them no good like tanks, Missiles they can hide but the result of using them to a great damage will result in a real occupation.
Besides, Iran have better rockets and they are not using them from their soil do they - why not?
For the same reason the best outcome for Hamas when they do shoot rockets at us is missing.

 

The collaboration between some Nazis and some Zionists prior to and during WWII is largely unknown today:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...artisans/0000017f-deee-d3ff-a7ff-ffeef5090000

"The Betar movement has ignored a melancholy chapter of its history that occurred in the Vilna ghetto during the Holocaust: the execution by Jews of other Jews who collaborated with the Nazis."

 

Well, according to the Western scholars you got it wrong.

Brief history:
Jews were persecuted for hundreds of years, mostly in Christian countries. Some religious Jews considered Palestine a holly land and migrated there – there was always Jewish minority.
During XIX century as response to antisemitism and nationalism in Europe, Jewish leaders thought about creating homeland in Palestine, which at this time was part of Ottoman Empire.
Jews migrated to Palestine and settled there. They legally bought land and built settlements.
During WWI in 1917 England announced The Balfour Declaration announcing its support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine.
After WWI England took Palestine from the Ottoman Empire. Jews continued to arrive to Palestine and legally bought more land. As Jewish population grew – Arabs started to resist it.
In 1929 Arabs attack Jews and Jews responded, it started in Hebron:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

And from then on there were attacks and contra attacks.
In 1947 there are areas in Palestine were Jews were majority. No land was stolen, all land was bought legally from legal owners.
When in 1947 England decided to evacuate Palestine, Jews and Palestinians started open war. There were atrocities committed by both parties:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_and_massacres_during_the_1948_Palestine_war

From the site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

For people who think ‘Jews are bad, Arabs are good’ I suggest to skip Jewish or Arab propaganda and to learn history from academic or semi-academic (like Wikipedia) sources.

 

If you want to make serious discussion by selecting the most stupid quotes from leaders, here is my answer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant
From Hamas charter:
[...]
The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews.

 

Yea, and Arabs collaborated with Nazis too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

 

Who cares what the UN idiot says? The UN is stacked with a bunch of anti-Semitic bigots with double standards.

 

The terrorist Israeli Jews need to go back to Israel, instead of expanding into an other people's country.

 

LOL .. Stop arming the Freedom fighters ? What fun would that be ? Your claim that heavy weapons would do the fighters in Israel no good is preposterous nonsense .. even if it ends up in occupation in the end.. least able to put up a good fight .. Same as in Ukraine .. which will end up the same .. Russia holding on to the land .. but .. least the Russians had a reasonable historical claim .. and a reasonable security issue.. Not you but some other was trying to claim that these incursions were for such reasons.

"Lets assume - Strong western countries would agree to arm the the freedom fighters" No need to assume that .. and why would we assume that .. shows that you have missed a main point .. which is that it could be Russia - China or another nation that arms the Freedom fighters .. with sophisticated weapons .. and now we have a problem.

You manage to make a point of interest by mistake "Iran" --- not only does Iran not fire sophisticated missiles at Israel .. as that would be war .. they do not provide these weapons to the Palestinians ... as that would also be a major deal.

Your claim that doing so would not make a difference is unadulterated nonsense.

 

Yes. Fair is fair. But the Republican Party is taking us into fascism so they are all about Israeli fascism (Zionism).

Also, note please that Rep. Ilian Omar was completely correct to criticize Zionism, which is a political ideology. She WAS NOT being antisemitic at all!
To call her antisemitic for criticizing Zionism is like calling me anti-American for criticizing the Republican policy.

 

Yawn. Left wing bigots being anti-Semitic like they always are. News at 11:00.

 

Yes to the criticism of the Zionists .. Extremist Religious Nuts .. just like the Islamists of Islam .. and the Fundamentalists of Christianity .. all cut from the same quilt .but for saying this the red clowns with no argument and plenty of fallacy run around crying "Anti-Semite" in a blind rage of illogical idiocy ... turning the majority of Jews who question everything, into anti semites.

These fundamentalist idiots unfortunately make up the majority in the GOP these days .. Got to be Pro Life .. Religious Right to be Red but, that wasn't always the case. It was when the religious right took over that Fascism has prevailed .. a sad trampling of the founding principles .. a march the religious right had been on since prohibition .. wanting to force their Puritain religious beliefs and customs on other people through physical violence - Law. Goldwater - "Godfather of Conservatism" warned that the religious right would lead to destruction of the Party ..

Red brought us the Drug war .. then the Patriot Act .. making it our Patriotic duty to give up essential liberty for security .. pumped up the fear factor with the "War on Terror" the objective of which was to terrorize US citizens ... the age old trick of fear of an external threat to get the sheeple to trade liberty for security .. these days coupled with fallacious Utilitarianism ....s

Watching those 5 cops beat that guy to death .. perhaps we are already at Facism ?

Then - we had "Hope and Change" .. which went down the drain with Obama .. turned out to be "same as the old boss" .. "Like a Boot - Stomping .. on a human face" like George Orwell described .. Masters of the plague .. fallacious utilitarianism as justification for law. Red used it but Blue really were the pioneers in the art.. went full out Nazi under Biden during Covid .... Red now the Party of the ACLU in a bizarre turn of events .. right out of hells handbook the citizen sodomized from both ends. Red now Anti War by comparison.. the Orwellian doublefreak just doesn't end.

 

No its not .. and was a whole lot more than the Nations that are calling Israel out on its war crime - crimes against humanity.

"Double Standards" What a joke ... Is the US with the double standards .. do as we say .. not as we do foreign policy .. and like the OP States .. we should be arming the Palestinians like Ukraine if you are against double standards har har har.


Sup mate .. who is the bigot with the double standard ? Priceless walk into that one

 

We shouldn't arm Ukraine. I'm shocked about the passion I'm seeing from the left to get us in this fight...might be because Ukraines are white.

We should give Israel our support 100%. They are the good guys in this Chaos. Why anyone would cheer for Palestians is beyond me.