UN Investigators Unable to Trace Saudi Aramco Attack to Iran

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  1. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

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    To provide context to this report by the UN Secretary General:
    https://www.sipri.org/databases/embargoes/un_arms_embargoes/iran
    There are also UN Security Council resolutions prohibiting the sale weapons to Iran as well as a separate UN Security Council resolution prohibiting any member state from supplying the Houthis with weapons.
    This particular report was in the context of Iran's compliance with the UN resolutions barring Iran from exporting weapons to any foreign state or foreign entity.

    As for the report itself, that report has not been uploaded yet when I searched the web. But the media accounts about this UN report would certainly make this a diplomatic victory of sorts for Iran, as the US and others would like Iran to be found in breach of the UN Security Council resolutions pertaining to Iran. However, in terms of its findings, until I read the report, I can't comment on whether it changes my own assessment regarding the attack against Aramco. For now, my own conclusion remains as I have previously stated: that the Houthis were the ones who carried out the attack. The cruise missiles used were Houthi cruise missiles (Quds missiles shown previously by the Houthis) modeled on Iran's Soumar long range cruise missile. The UAVs involved were also Houthi operated UAVs, even though they too were probably modeled on an Iranian UAV (most likely the Shahed 129).

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-unable-to-trace-saudi-aramco-attack-to-iran
    UN Investigators Unable to Trace Saudi Aramco Attack to Iran

     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You might like to comment on the Iranian vessel interdicted by America
    carrying missiles and military supplies to Yemen.
    Iran engages in proxy wars - she supplies missiles to Yemen, Lebanon
    and Hamas. Groups known to us as terrorist groups. Thus Iran is not
    only a terrorist nation, but engages in proxy terrorism.
     
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    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

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    You can call people you don't like any names and use any labels you wish. I am not interested in exchanging labels and accusations so much as discussing ideas and events from different perspectives. So if you wanted to discuss my view of actual Iranian assistance to the groups you mentioned, and which parts of it Iran is simply unable to publicly confirm (due to various UN sanctions and resolutions) but are probably true and which parts are probably fictitious, let me know.
     
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    Blame them anyway.

    New Democrats standard for America no proof required, just have to want it to be true.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are two things I keep reading about Iran in Australian newspapers
    1 - Iran missiles
    2 - Iranian hostages
     
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    Who doesn't engage in proxy wars in the ME ? Proxy wars using terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda ISIS and others.

    I can tell you who does ! USA, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Israel, Jordan - other gulf states. Britain France - and indirectly numerous Eastern European nations.

    By your definition - and I agree with it - all of the above are terrorist nations by engaging in proxy terrorism.
     
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    UN Investigators Unable to Trace Saudi Aramco Attack to Iran

    UN investiagators have a hard time finding their shoes in the morning.
     
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  8. Iranian Monitor

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    While there are media in Australia that won't present as fictionalized an account on various issues relating to Iran as some others, it seems to me that you read media accounts which are focused on a propaganda campaign which relies on giving you not just slanted coverage but often totally false and misleading ones.

    Anyway, on the issues you mention, I have nothing to say in particular about "Iran's missiles" unless you have a question about it. But so-called "hostages", let me give a few pointers.

    1- Hundreds of thousands of westerners from various countries in Europe, North America and Australia visit Iran every years. In comparison, there have been around two dozen cases involving "Western visitors" (or dual nationals) who ran afoul of Iranian laws and end up in jail over the past 10-15 years, constituting a minuscule percentage of such visitors.

    2- The case of the recent swap of prisoners, is illustrative of the kind of cases we are talking about. The Chinese-American graduate student held by Iran was arrested after he tried to steal pages from a historical manuscript from Iran's National Library. That part of his offense wasn't even disputed, even if subsequent western media accounts (except the ones around the time of his arrest) simply didn't mention this fact. The actual dispute in his case was his motive: whether this was some sort of 'library theft' for personal research interests or something more sinister. He claimed he did this for his personal interest and use as part of his graduate work at Berkeley. On the face of it, his assertion seems credible enough even if it wouldn't constitute a defense against what would still be serious charges, given the nature of manuscripts he was accused of stealing. (They weren't manuscripts which could be checked out and were treated as historic documents, which visitors can look over and study in the Library only). For whatever reason, however, the prosecution claimed he was doing this as part of some more sinister foreign plot to steal these manuscripts and they apparently had evidence he had done this things before, sending these kind of manuscripts outside of the country. The allegation may appear far fetched but I am not familiar with the evidence. He was, however, tried and convicted to serve a 10 year sentence.

    On the other side, being held by the US as a prisoner who had not even been charged after many months in detention, was a highly regarded Iranian stem cell researcher on his way to lead a research team in the Mayo Clinic in the US on some research project. This is well know scientist in his field of specialty. Upon his arrival to the US, he was arrested because he had purchased some 'cultured cells' for his research in the US without first obtaining a specific license for this purpose. A license that is only required because he is Iranian and subject to special sanctions and restrictions. No one has claimed or could claim there was anything otherwise sinister about this product as it is clearly only useful for stem cell research type activities.

    Here are some reports on these cases that give you different sides of the stories involved, if none give you Iran's side of the story in full.

    This Sputnik report doesn't discuss the details of the case involving the Iranian scientist as fluently as the legal issues aren't understood by the reporter. For this purpose, the Politico piece cited below (despite its other biases) does a better job. But the report from Sputnik at least gives you a good sense of the "human side" of the story, except the focus this time isn't on the Western prisoner that has been released but the Iranian one. Regardless, however, even if you read any serious account of these cases in the US media, if you were fair, you would understand that if there was a "hostage" taking, it was the US who had taken a hostage not Iran!

    https://sputniknews.com/world/20191...ms-iranian-scientist-freed-from-us-jail-says/
    American ‘Justice’ Exists Only in Hollywood Films, Iranian Scientist Freed From US Jail Says

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/07/iran-prisoner-swap-077661
    American freed by Iran in prisoner exchange

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12...exchange-sees-release-of-us--scholar/11777330

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-real-deal-behind-the-us-iran-prisoner-swap
    The Real Deal Behind the U.S.–Iran Prisoner Swap


    p.s.
    There are hundreds of Iranians languishing in US jails, including many Iranian-Americans, for things that wouldn't be crimes if the same conduct involved any other country in the world other than Iran. That is because the US has actual laws (and many of them) that basically sanction any dealing of any sort with Iran or any Iranians living in Iran, while Iran doesn't have such sweeping 'sanctions' or restrictions on dealing with Americans.
     
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    It`s better this way than, creating a full blown out war against Iran, that would be disastrous and would create worldwide crisis.
     
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    Yes, I believe the Houthis are quite adept in developing cruise missiles.
    We in Australia couldn't make one. We might need to employ some of
    these Houthis scientists and engineers.
    What next? I reckon Houthis will put a rover on the moon.
     
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    best to nuke all of the me, begin with gaza and work outward...
     
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    For years, UN investigation could not find any thing about Iran nuclear program.
    This body have been disfunctional for decades.
     
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    Who gives a **** what the UN cares anyway? What are they going to do, write you a sternly worded letter?
     

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